BLB Topic Tuesday (5/22)

[Z]

I like Brad, but sometimes I want to kick him for trading Woodbury out of Philly.

And Aurillo? That's a whole different tale.

[Clay]

I like Brad, but sometimes I want to kick him for trading Woodbury out of Philly.

And Aurillo? That's a whole different tale.

That's for Topic Wednesday -- "Why we hate Brad..."

[liquidcrash]

Jose Guzman has to be in the conversation with those four guys, too. He's quietly had a tremendous career.

I was going to point this out, but I also wasn't going to jinx what he's doing so far this season. Anyway, Guzman has quietly put up a HOF career, despite maybe never being put into that elite category. I'm pretty happy with what I've gotten since I signed him for his twilight years.

[Jake]

Personally, I can't see any argument that puts Gremades over Woodbury.

OPS+ - a park adjusted stat - has Woodbury putting up MVP-esque (~150+) seasons (specifically '81 and '84-'87) in General Dwight D. Eisenhower Field, a notoriously bad hitters park.

Gremades certainly did the same - especially during those early years in Pittsburgh - but ultimately gets outdone by Woodbury, 172 to 158 for their careers. Basically, if you want to hold Colonial Park against Doorbell's VA numbers - you have to give him credit for the numbers he put up in the 50-acre fair territory in PA.

Woodbury also puts up a better career WAR - 135.4 to 107.3 - in almost 300 less games and nearly 1000 less AB's.

In the field, you can't hold Gremades' outfield journeys against him, and he was certainly solid at first. But Woodbury was great at times in the OF - 5 DWI's - so, again, edge Woodbury.

Anyways, to me, Gremades is a clear #2 behind Woodbury, one of the greatest and he's still got some time left. He could probably get on base 4 out of 10 times at age 50.

Keppel is easily #3. Pawtucket aside, he was never really the same Keppel after 84. Still HOF worthy, of course, but I think you could argue he's only in a discussion with Gremades and Woodbury because of nostalgia. Not saying I would argue that, just saying I think you could.

[Carlos]

Keppel couldn't do what Woodbury and Gremades have done: produce after 35.

Amazing what the latter have done after 35 to separate themselves from a man that was once unanimously the best hitter alive.


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[Clay]

Keppel couldn't do what Woodbury and Gremades have done: produce after 35.

Amazing what the latter have done after 35 to separate themselves from a man that was once unanimously the best hitter alive.


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Agreed. It's actually surprising to me with Shitty. I traded him when I did partially because his value was high... but I had mostly decided that his pattern of injuries in VIR was something I didn't want to risk. Injury patterns in this game are normally a death sentence. Not for Gremades.

[Guest]

Timeout. Since when has he been coined Shitty? Anyway:

-My biased opinion has always had EG ahead of Keppel and it still does. I was a little underwhelmed by his HR and RBI totals during some years, but his ability to hit and get on base was unreal. He has the top 10 single season walk totals to himself (12 of the top 13). Him and Woodbury are on their own level with Keppel just below them. Would've been a lifelong Miller had I not been a moron.

-Johnny Buzzell belongs in the Hall of Fame. The dumbass contract I gave him does not.

[Delandis]

Personally, I can't see any argument that puts Gremades over Woodbury.

OPS+ - a park adjusted stat - has Woodbury putting up MVP-esque (~150+) seasons (specifically '81 and '84-'87) in General Dwight D. Eisenhower Field, a notoriously bad hitters park.

Gremades certainly did the same - especially during those early years in Pittsburgh - but ultimately gets outdone by Woodbury, 172 to 158 for their careers. Basically, if you want to hold Colonial Park against Doorbell's VA numbers - you have to give him credit for the numbers he put up in the 50-acre fair territory in PA.

Woodbury also puts up a better career WAR - 135.4 to 107.3 - in almost 300 less games and nearly 1000 less AB's.

In the field, you can't hold Gremades' outfield journeys against him, and he was certainly solid at first. But Woodbury was great at times in the OF - 5 DWI's - so, again, edge Woodbury.

Anyways, to me, Gremades is a clear #2 behind Woodbury, one of the greatest and he's still got some time left. He could probably get on base 4 out of 10 times at age 50.

Keppel is easily #3. Pawtucket aside, he was never really the same Keppel after 84. Still HOF worthy, of course, but I think you could argue he's only in a discussion with Gremades and Woodbury because of nostalgia. Not saying I would argue that, just saying I think you could.

Proving a point by stats is overrated.

[BradZ]

Anyways, to me, Gremades is a clear #2 behind Woodbury, one of the greatest and he's still got some time left.

I see what you did there.

[Clay]

Proving a point by stats is overrated.

If Stats are overrated, how would we judge EG v Logo in a way that EG comes out ahead? Awards? Rings? I think stats is EG's best argument.

[Guest]

This thread had me thinking...what if Pete Kellum was given the chance to play out his entire career in BLB? Unfortunately he was 35 when the league started but still managed to have two amazing seasons and one incredible half season. In those seasons, his lowest AVG was .366, lowest OBP was .466, and lowest OPS was 1.048. Had 88 homers in that timespan. He had Woodbury's power, Gremades' eye, and hit for average better than either of them.

Give him a full career and Kellum > Woodbury by a decent margin. Joe Reyes is another guy I would've liked to see play an entire career.

[Delandis]

If Stats are overrated, how would we judge EG v Logo in a way that EG comes out ahead? Awards? Rings? I think stats is EG's best argument.

I guess I need to work on my internet sarcasm.

[Clay]

I guess I need to work on my internet sarcasm.

Oh, you forgot to use the internet sarcasm font.

[Carlos]

This thread had me thinking...what if Pete Kellum was given the chance to play out his entire career in BLB? Unfortunately he was 35 when the league started but still managed to have two amazing seasons and one incredible half season. In those seasons, his lowest AVG was .366, lowest OBP was .466, and lowest OPS was 1.048. Had 88 homers in that timespan. He had Woodbury's power, Gremades' eye, and hit for average better than either of them.

Give him a full career and Kellum > Woodbury by a decent margin. Joe Reyes is another guy I would've liked to see play an entire career.

Kellum is in the HOF for a reason.


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[Clay]

Something tells me JJ made that entire post just to mention Reyes at the end.