Denver Block

[Guest]

If you employ an offense with a decent qb, and very good to great receivers and a te, you will beat anyone 4 out of 5 times that isn't employing the same setup regardless of how good their team is.

No, you won't. See: Charlotte.

[Guest]

Yes, I had 3firsts, a second and third in the table. Someone else has the better offer.

I can't believe he didn't take that. Liening is in his prime, but will be pretty old before his cohesion hits. That's one hell of a deal you offered.

[Aston]

Yeah, what a QB/WR/WR can do is truly astonishing -- Jim has admitted as much. I do think it's good that teams picking at the very top of the draft have a free ticket towards turning things around, and maybe it just doesn't drop off fast enough. Because teams in the bottom of the round can still do really well consistently.

I know the conventional wisdom is to discount linemen and that's not wrong, you *can* usually get linemen later. As far as team building, I've always coveted having 5 strong OL starters and good depth. I'd say, ignore your pass protection unit at your peril.

It'll be interesting to see what Liening goes for. In the right team, he's absolutely deadly and vaults them to the top of the league. On the other hand, he's no 90-rated guy and he's no spring chicken. A team that's got very little right now probably can't expect him to lift them up anywhere but middle of the pack -- at which point they'd be the kind of team that will miss all those picks.

I could definitely use a guy like Liening, though, I just used up all my ammo already!

[mike17]

was looking for a quick fix to help me extend another winning season or two at most.

Translated: I was scared of the Big Green Machine coming in week 5

[Koz]

No, you won't. See: Charlotte.

There are exceptions. I'm assuming there is something flawed in the ganeplan.

[Guest]

There are exceptions. I'm assuming there is something flawed in the ganeplan.

i can attest to this the phoenix team i inherited was i 15-1 12-4 and 10-6 i promptly took them to a 7-7-2 record

[Guest]

Yeah, what a QB/WR/WR can do is truly astonishing -- Jim has admitted as much. I do think it's good that teams picking at the very top of the draft have a free ticket towards turning things around,

i couldnt disagree more, the draft is too automatic as it is takes all the fun out of it. you just gotta know how to read the "entrails" and youre fine. match the combines with the bars and voilla i just wish there mere more VSOL's for the lower round guys more tom bradys and jerry rices would make this game even more awesome

[Isacco]

There is a thread on FOFC where Jim is accepting advices about the new version of the game: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=87125. I think it's a good time to give him some help ...

[Guest]

I can't believe he didn't take that. Liening is in his prime, but will be pretty old before his cohesion hits. That's one hell of a deal you offered.

about the cohesion thing, ive always looked at it all things being equal yeah cohesion is great but in this case ive got a 2nd year wr, 1st year te, 1st year qb and upgrade from a 2nd year wr (51/51 donaghy) to Leinning id say the +20 in rating makes up for the lack of cohesion.

now i DO think cohesion helps that 40~ WR who's been on the team for 6 seasons but when youre dealing with big red bars not sure if it matters much

if anything utahs the example of that hes had good but not "scary" wr his whole run yet boon throws for 4k in his sleep every year so his 40-50 something wr are probably playing at 60ish with all his cohesion

[Aston]

Boone has thrown for 4k once in his career, to be fair. He did have a pair of very, very good WRs earlier in his career.

i couldnt disagree more, the draft is too automatic as it is takes all the fun out of it. you just gotta know how to read the "entrails" and youre fine. match the combines with the bars and voilla i just wish there mere more VSOL's for the lower round guys more tom bradys and jerry rices would make this game even more awesome

And make it harder for the losing teams to turn their talent situations around? This, IMO, is a clear case of not wanting to imitate real life too closely because of gameplay considerations.

How much messing up would it take in the past decade for the Patriots or the Packers to suck? How much sheer luck is it going to take for the Raiders to dig themselves out of this pickle they've been mired in for years, in the next five seasons?

At least in FOF, if you go 4-12 you've got a fairly good shot at landing an impact player to turn things around. I think Isacco highlights a more annoying thing where GMs sell their entire teams just to lose and draft a WR. Although sometimes this happens and they just keep losing, so hehe, karma

[Guest]

quick who was the patriots last top 10 pick? hell i cant say because they draft well, you look at teams like them and Pittsburgh that are routinely NOT in the top half of the draft yet always find "the right guy" in the 2nd 3rd and 4th rounds. Gronk fell and hes been one of the most productive TE's of all time.

im simply saying if the draft were not so automatic then you wouldnt have idiots trading away 3 1st and a couple 60+ rated players for 1 wr. i mean what kind of moron would make that trade!

anyway just saying the draft should be so automatic. increase the "bust" factor but maybe not as extreme as it is in real life. have that 70+ VU wr drop to 50 and still be serviceable but not a total plug.


and this would also help tanking if the picks were guaranteed,, so you dont have a "tim duncan" scenario

[Aston]

Jerod Mayo in 2008. But anyway, in FOF teams that win a lot and draft late don't typically have access to the firepower that teams drafting at the top do. And that's a good thing, right? Or else the rich keep getting richer while the poor stay poor.

And I'm not following your logic, if the draft were so automatic, why give up three 1s? You're doing that because you don't expect to get a WR like Liening any other way.

If that 70+ VU WR drops so routinely, it sucks for the top 5 teams that went 4-12 to draft them, and on the flip side the 12-4 teams that luck into the Jerry Rices later on just keep rolling.

It's not a perfect system by any means, and tanking is too viable a strategy I suppose, but on the whole isn't it important to not keep the poor teams down? The losing teams often have the keys to the best FAs as well as the best draftees. Phoenix has that system to thank for Stanley Morrison!

[Guest]

my recent trade and my general philosophy are mutually exclusive, youll note i even called myself a hypocrite.

just because i dont like the current system doesnt mean im going to be dumb enough to not understand what works within the system.

the draft IS "automatic" but HOPEFULLY i wont be bad enough to get a guy like Liening or Morrison again, at least not the next 3 drafts, the other way i could do it is like you keep trading future #1s and hope i get one high enough.


and whos to say Jerry Rice goes 30 overall? what if he goes in the 4th round? i believe Jerry went in the 7th IRL... anyway point being is simply a bit more randomness makes the draft more interesting. makes drafting that wr in the 4th round more exciting than just filling out the roster



i also have that system to thank for frodo too and you know what im ok with that frodo was a bust FOR ME now Jugg saw something i didnt and he got much more out of him than i did. but you know what im ok with frodo sucking for ME and if jugg turns in into a all pro more power to him. carey money is the other side of that on paper he shouldn't be as good as he is but he is, why because we read the "entrails" so it was predestined for him to be outstanding

[Guest]

Jerry Rice was mid 1st round selection IIRC despite his slow 40.

I think everyone was surprised by how low Money was ratings wise, but he's got some bars in the right places and Mike is a good owner and gets the best out of him.

[Guest]

Jerry Rice was mid 1st round selection IIRC despite his slow 40.

I think everyone was surprised by how low Money was ratings wise, but he's got some bars in the right places and Mike is a good owner and gets the best out of him.

yore right rice was 16th overall

ok change rice to wes welker