2039 Off-season

[Guest]

He can trade him to me as he'll eat all the bonus!

And I believe the flaw in your theory is that the tag uses the top salaries of people or 120% of the previous year's salary.

[Sharkn20]

My take:

I think that Kalispel will regret this signing.

I haven't used the franchise tag very often in FOF7, but I believe that the player will ask for a contract close where the 1st year is around 90% of his franchise tag value. Correct me if I am wrong, but won't the franchise tag value be 45 * 1.2 = $54 million. That means his asking price for year one will be around $48 million and escalating each year after that.

Most of the top LT's in the league make around $20 million per season. I think the vast overpay of $45 million makes him un-tradable, and impossible to franchise tag and re-sign.

I don't think we need to make any rules regarding the franchise tag. I think that salary demands in FOF7 make it impossible to game the system.

I understand that the Franchise Tag is the average of the Top-5 Salaries of the league "or" 120% of the last year contract in case you apply it twice... This is how I think it works, obviously I could be wrong

[Guest]

He can trade him to me as he'll eat all the bonus!

I suppose he could take these steps:

1. Pay him $45 million this year (17% of the salary cap)
2. Franchise Tag him next year
3. Renegotiate a new contract up to 5 years
4. Trade him and eat the remaining bonus in 2041

Seems like a flawed strategy to me. I saw the tackle as basically a developed to 10 pick in the prime of his career. I would have signed him to a 5 year deal if I needed a tackle/had the cap room.

And I believe the flaw in your theory is that the tag uses the top salaries of people or 120% of the previous year's salary.

From the in-game help file:

Designation - Each team may designate one player as a "franchise player". This is reserved for unrestricted free agents. If that player remains unsigned by the start of training camp, he is assigned a one-year salary equal to 20% more than he received last season, or the average of the top five salaries in the league for players at his position, whichever is higher.

45 > 14.34 (avg of top 5 tackles this year)

[Sharkn20]

From the in-game help file:

Designation - Each team may designate one player as a "franchise player". This is reserved for unrestricted free agents. If that player remains unsigned by the start of training camp, he is assigned a one-year salary equal to 20% more than he received last season, or the average of the top five salaries in the league for players at his position, whichever is higher.

45 > 14.34 (avg of top 5 tackles this year)

Very helpful, so he has to Franchise next year and then extend him with an ultra-rich 5 Year deal well above the league average... FOF 1 - Kalispel 0

[Aston]

No sign and tag is probably a better rule than a 2 yr minimum and has the same effect as Aston wouldn't have to worry about it all FA long.

A !(Sign and Tag) rule seems like a good middle ground -- for any veteran player acquired in free agency?

Even something simple can be hard to remember. So if we do something like this, please help me keep an eye out.

I don't want a big rules fight here. Just something simple, ideally something common, and let's all move on in the same playing field.

By the way, let's not be too hard on Kalispel, either. This was a totally legitimate signing, and he hasn't been tagged yet. They also probably got him by a pretty narrow margin -- Boston offered $70M in bonus on a 2 year, $81M deal (because he's 81/81 ).

Free agency is not the place to lock up top talent for many years at reasonable value, unless you're really lucky. The Stags, with $130M of cap space on the books, seem completely deserving victors of these sweepstakes over teams with much less spending power that still wanted to land him. So please, enjoy that sweet tackle for all he's worth, alex!

[Guest]

I suppose he could take these steps:

1. Pay him $45 million this year (17% of the salary cap)
2. Franchise Tag him next year
3. Renegotiate a new contract up to 5 years
4. Trade him and eat the remaining bonus in 2041

Seems like a flawed strategy to me. I saw the tackle as basically a developed to 10 pick in the prime of his career. I would have signed him to a 5 year deal if I needed a tackle/had the cap room.



From the in-game help file:

Designation - Each team may designate one player as a "franchise player". This is reserved for unrestricted free agents. If that player remains unsigned by the start of training camp, he is assigned a one-year salary equal to 20% more than he received last season, or the average of the top five salaries in the league for players at his position, whichever is higher.

45 > 14.34 (avg of top 5 tackles this year)

Salary is not salary + bonus.

Perez is being paid $12 in salary, not $45.

Bonus does not factor into this which is why a sign and tag rule is being discussed as it combats huge bonus plus a tag.

[Guest]

By the way, let's not be too hard on Kalispel, either. This was a totally legitimate signing, and he hasn't been tagged yet. They also probably got him by a pretty narrow margin -- Boston offered $70M in bonus on a 2 year, $81M deal (because he's 81/81 ).

Fo sho. I don't think Alex should feel bad or put down on and if a sign and tag rule gets put in place he shouldn't be held to it at this point. That would be unfair.

If I hadn't traded for that DE I would've put in a $30/yr offer.

[Guest]

I didn't mean any offense to Alex with my post. I just would have done something differently and I don't like extra rules that the commish has to keep track of.

[Sharkn20]

Salary is not salary + bonus.

Perez is being paid $12 in salary, not $45.

Bonus does not factor into this which is why a sign and tag rule is being discussed as it combats huge bonus plus a tag.

That's a good point, thank you for sharing. Now Kalispel 1 - FOF 0 :)

[Aston]

Oh, definitely -- not saying anyone was. But as we're discussing the signing and tag rules as a result of it, just wanted to make sure alex doesn't feel he was at the center of this.

[Guest]

Oh well, this is where it cost me for forgetting / misclickling the Tag on Perez (dont know how it happened, but both ways its my fault) i had hope i was in the race to keep him, i knew he'd bring the bank down, but never imagined at which point.

[Guest]

I don't like extra rules. We all play with the same game. Sometimes the game is realistic, sometimes it is not. Get over it.

I think it takes some balls to do what Alex did and I congratulate it as a great move. I wanted to do something similar but did not quite have the same cap flexibility.

By the way are we focusing on the tackle Alex got but not the LB that Nemesis grabbed in stage 2?

[Guest]

I don't like extra rules. We all play with the same game. Sometimes the game is realistic, sometimes it is not. Get over it.

I think it takes some balls to do what Alex did and I congratulate it as a great move. I wanted to do something similar but did not quite have the same cap flexibility.

By the way are we focusing on the tackle Alex got but not the LB that Nemesis grabbed in stage 2?

It would not have been possible under normal circumstances. Most teams tend to have a bit of cap room but I have a ton because 90% of my players are just warm bodies.

(Also that was my LB. Damn you Nemesis! )

[Nemesis]

It would not have been possible under normal circumstances. Most teams tend to have a bit of cap room but I have a ton because 90% of my players are just warm bodies.

(Also that was my LB. Damn you Nemesis! )

I was just about to point that out.

[Delandis]

I'm so glad I'm not GM. I'd be fired because I'd never sign anybody in FA.