Cian Fahey's QB Rankings from Football Ousiders

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How about that Matt Ryan, Morgantown? hehe

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A redditor's comments where this was posted:

I'm gonna try to give some explainations cause this mostly what i'd say too based on the tape i've watched.
Brady, Rivers and Brees have been severely overrated the last two years while Wilson has been severely underrated. Especially brees, who's been declining heavily on tape as his accuracy just gets worse and worse. Brady can no longer make 90% of the throws he use to make 5 years ago and has been forced to rely on what few strengths he has left to cover up all the new flaws he has. It's more obvious now how much the system works to protect Brady, with all the quick releases and combination routes (like the famous Ghost/Tosser[1] ). The one year Rivers had with Whisenhunt helped cover his own flaws in accuracy and timing, and his pocket presence has been suffering recently. Wilson's accuracy and decision making is Aaron Rodgers-esque when he's at his peak, and his pocket presence is amongst the top in the NFL, and that's without getting into his ability to extend the pocket. The scary part is how much better Wilson can get, since he's got a conservative playbook that will sometimes make a decision for him to not throw a ball he knows he can throw and get in there.
Manning is one of the scariest 2014 tapes to watch. I've never seen a great QB look as bad as he did. People give Manning all the benefit for his name, btu even before his injury his arm was just terrifying to watch. It's just as he says, it looks like it's about to fall off. He's not use to his own sapped arm strength and it shows because his timing is all completely messed up and he begins to panic and lose the ball on some throws. Tannehill has one of the worst intermediate timings in the NFL, which happens to also be the most important area to be good at. Don't know if Bridge is over him since i've never watched, but there's a bunch of reasonings for the rankings.
Foles is terrible, product of a system as it comes. There's no analyst out there saying Foles is anything other than bad to "not as bad as you think." Alex Smith is considered by all tape analysts to be the anthesis of everything quarterbacking, and one of the worst starting QBs in the league because of how limiting he is to an offense. It's exactly like Fahey says, he looks away from open receivers because he's scared to throw to them. No one hurts their own offense as much as Alex Smith.

and link to the thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comm...er_for_br_and/

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How about that Matt Ryan, Morgantown? hehe

It's because the old guys are getting worse, not because he's all that special.

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Good reading Foos, I have to be almost agree with you, but Gino Smith sucks and you know that

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It's because the old guys are getting worse, not because he's all that special.

What I found to be really crazy is how low Flacco is and how high Geno Smith is rated. I'm not the biggest Flacco fan in the world but man, below Geno Smith and below a rookie who came from a spread offense in college?

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Good reading Foos, I have to be almost agree with you, but Gino Smith sucks and you know that

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he ends up being average but I don't know if we'll even get that.

We get average play from Geno this year and the Jets go to the playoffs.

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Fitzpatrick can be average. Geno, I'm not convinced yet.

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Biggest complaint I'd have is where they have Eli. There's no way he's even approaching a top 5 QB. He had his best year last year, and was still number 15 in QBR. He was 19th in accuracy, 13th in YPA, 9th in TDs, and threw the 8th most INTs. He was 19th in number of times sacked, so you can't blame a terrible line. His receivers have made some of the most insane catches (three fingers in the endzone, helmet catch, etc.) so if anything they're propping his numbers up. He's one year removed from throwing 27 INTs. I see him more in the Stafford/Smith/Cutler area than top 5. I understand that he's won a couple of Super Bowls, but that didn't seem to help Flacco at all in these rankings.

Other than that I can get behind the rest of these rankings with maybe a slight adjustment here or there.

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Eli Manning over Tom Brady?

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Biggest complaint I'd have is where they have Eli. There's no way he's even approaching a top 5 QB. He had his best year last year, and was still number 15 in QBR. He was 19th in accuracy, 13th in YPA, 9th in TDs, and threw the 8th most INTs. He was 19th in number of times sacked, so you can't blame a terrible line. His receivers have made some of the most insane catches (three fingers in the endzone, helmet catch, etc.) so if anything they're propping his numbers up. He's one year removed from throwing 27 INTs. I see him more in the Stafford/Smith/Cutler area than top 5. I understand that he's won a couple of Super Bowls, but that didn't seem to help Flacco at all in these rankings.

Other than that I can get behind the rest of these rankings with maybe a slight adjustment here or there.

I'd agree that Eli might be a little too highly ranked here. That said, maybe a worse QB would have been sacked more than Eli was. He did a pretty impressive job considering the Giants' o-line woes. It seemed Eli was a little high, but I wouldn't put him in the stafford/Smith/Cutler area. He's better than all of those guys.

Someone in the reddit thread made the argument that Brady's weaknesses are all masked by scheme now and he's not as strong a QB as he used to be due to age, if that redditor is to be believed. (His argument seems sound. I'd agree with him based on my two game sample size of Tom Brady I get per year. :) )

Manning is three years younger than Brady and Brady is a couple years younger than Peyton. Not too far of a reach to expect some age-related decline at this point for Brady.

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Kaepernick and RG III... guess both have bad VSOD. No future for either.

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Kaepernick and RG III... guess both have bad VSOD. No future for either.

I agree, I think they're too used to receivers making up for mistakes. That QB that can run AND pass seems to happen once a generation, if at all. It seems like teams are always wanting the next Randal Cunningham or maybe even Michael Vick.

I still have nightmares of that Madden Vick from so long ago. Such cheese.

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I agree, I think they're too used to receivers making up for mistakes. That QB that can run AND pass seems to happen once a generation, if at all. It seems like teams are always wanting the next Randal Cunningham or maybe even Michael Vick.

I still have nightmares of that Madden Vick from so long ago. Such cheese.

No one was really prepared for that read-option stuff early in Kaep & RG3's careers. The next year everyone was ready for it.

Plus that knee injury really did a number on RG3 seemingly mentally and physically.

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No one was really prepared for that read-option stuff early in Kaep & RG3's careers. The next year everyone was ready for it.

Plus that knee injury really did a number on RG3 seemingly mentally and physically.

I saw that injury in the play offs... was gruesome omg poor guy

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I saw that injury in the play offs... was gruesome omg poor guy

He got shafted by Mike Shanahan pressuring him to play in that game.