Combines

[Nemesis]

Figured I'd get your attention with that title, but all I really wanna do is show you something interesting about combines and the relation to where the player ends up.



Go look at them in game.

Open discussion as to why they are the way they are.

PS: Aston,chuck, you're barred from this thread though..

PSS: Ok, I'm lying, post as much info as you can.

[Guest]

The roll of the dice..

[Guest]

I'm guessing Duran popped?



His strength bar was WAY higher than his combine, which means he had a good chance to pop. Also a good chance to be okay, but he popped.

Here's how I saw James:



Mediocre bars.

My overall ranking have Duran behind James by a round or two. James has the better combines, Duran has the "hi, I might pop" bars though.

[Aston]

Hm, Duran didn't pop. He just stayed what he was.

Both of them have quite similar combine scores. I know 5.14 is "good" and all that, but it's not SO good that it is substantially different from a 5.27. They're both "within range" and you know, not that many guys have all combine scores within range. So at that point we're looking at other factors.

[Guest]

So what did happen? James popped?

[Nemesis]

So what did happen? James popped?

He didn't pop necessarily. James was destined for what happened. I think this is a really good example to tell the difference between players in the draft.

[Guest]

I am barred? What did I do?

Honestly I would have thought like garion.

[Guest]

Wait, maybe it is important to talk about what their current ratings are.

Nicky James is 28/39 by the league scout, not much different from my scout and is dropping.

Duran is 35/56 by the league scout, not much different from my scout and had a slight increase (ok not a pop but there might be reason to believe he's a bit better than he shows right now).

I think Nemesis is saying their combines are similar and James' are even a bit better. He's even going a bit further to say that we should have expected what happened.

Now, did James have a vol hit?

[Nemesis]

I am barred? What did I do?

Honestly I would have thought like garion.

I was just joking with you guys because I've witnessed your drafting in the past. And imo, your question of whether statics matter, I think this is a case that shows it does. I think James had a small vol hit, but not a huge one.

I think people have a different definition of "pop". I think of pop in terms of a vol bump.

The reason I started this thread is because I hoped it would get conversation flowing that would help everyone with drafting. Identifying combine/static relations aren't the end-all be-all, but it goes a long way.

That being said, I wasn't a strong drafter in the last version of the game.

EDIT: Yes, I did want it out in the open that this is what we should have expected to have happen, even if James had a slight vol hit.

[Guest]

I was also being tongue and cheek. I can't imagine Aston getting banned from anything, unless it was for being too nice.

I would like to talk about the WRs we took in the top 5. Unless I am totally off, there is another case study there, I think.

I am not nearly an expert on the new version, though. This is only my first multi-player draft!

[Nemesis]

I was also being tongue and cheek. I can't imagine Aston getting banned from anything, unless it was for being too nice.

I would like to talk about the WRs we took in the top 5. Unless I am totally off, there is another case study there, I think.

I am not nearly an expert on the new version, though. This is only my first multi-player draft!

This is my 2nd. Because of how different the combines of our guys are, would make it a tougher case study, but definitely worth a case study.

[Guest]

I am sorry if I am derailing this thread but I have a couple of questions on the new version:

1) Has the overall talent level gone down?

2) Are combines/bars less reliable for some positions? I notice for example that QB and WR seem much harder to draft.

I am also looking at the 1.20 pick Nick Dole. I was fairly high on him from the get-go but not sure why. What do you make of him? Will he boom/bust/stay the same?

[Nemesis]

I am sorry if I am derailing this thread but I have a couple of questions on the new version:

1) Has the overall talent level gone down?

2) Are combines/bars less reliable for some positions? I notice for example that QB and WR seem much harder to draft.

I am also looking at the 1.20 pick Nick Dole. I was fairly high on him from the get-go but not sure why. What do you make of him? Will he boom/bust/stay the same?

1) I'm not sure
2) Not enough evidence to say yes. But a QB with 48 sole used to be a never miss in 2k7 as far as I can remember. My 1.3 QB last year had a 48, and only 70 intel, and he's bombed to this point. His static/combine (SR/Screen) didn't really seem bad.

Nick Dole looks good due to his BPR bar, dash, and where his GD is compared to his agility (GD is supposed to be 30% GD and 100% agility), but I don't really know what I should be looking at here. There appears to be alot of guys who have a higher GD bar than expected, which would lead me to believe that their combine reflects their bars, if not better than their bars, but I may be reading it wrong.

Another case is CB Malachi Douglas that I took at 2.3. With a PH bar around 50 average (assuming that's where it really is), and that 15 bench, pre-reveal I'm expecting his BnR bar to be MUCH higher (because bench is 50% PH, and 50% BnR). So while on the surface, his bars make him look like a "workout warrior", his static bar and other coorelating bar says, "Nah bruh, he looks pretty solid.".

At least to me. Or maybe I'm doing this wrong.

[Delandis]

From what I've seen so far, I think you guys are over analyzing selections too much.

There should be a lot less trying to see through the fog and let the game do the work. Use your interviews wisely and trust your scouts, especially in the positions they are good at scouting. From what I've seen so far, that looks like the best route. My guess is that every trick you guys tried to use to "game the game" in the earlier versions, the developer tried his damnedest to slip you up.

[Aston]

I'm surprised James turned out so low. He looked like a pretty solid player in the draft. He might've been one of the many other guards I liked (and why I was willing to wait rounds to pick one).

I was lucky with Duran. If I really felt good about him being that great, I wouldn't have waited for Round 4, I think. He was a player who had been given a low draft grade. That said, maybe he fits the profile of a lower grade player who turns out good anyway (his combines are all decent, and he had a high static bar). Also, my scout was good and I thought hey, maybe I'll trust what he sees.

I think Nemesis is saying their combines are similar and James' are even a bit better. He's even going a bit further to say that we should have expected what happened.

Their combines are similar enough that I wouldn't say one player has notably better combines than another. They are basically the same to me. And I guess DA expected basically the same from these players, too. Yet they turned out differently. Like Delandis, I feel that kind of fog is built in.