Draft 2029 Class Discussion

[Aston]

Los Alamos adds the top inside linebacker in this draft at 1.8, and offfff weeee go!

[prinzar]

I'm amazed the guy I mentioned on Monday is still there. If I had any ammo I would be moving up

[Aston]

At some point down the line we might also be contemplating throwing even more future picks away to dip back into this one.

We'd be without a 1st round pick next year for sure that way though, and that's not a savory thought.

[prinzar]

The Nutah trade embargo doesn't exactly help you recover a 1st by trading a veteran Bee.

Even Iran gets to trade with less restrictions

[Aston]

Who'd want a veteran Bee, they're no good :P

I was thinking it might be OK to go without a 1st, since we get new 1sts every year, and teams [for good reason] crave the flexibility of extra 1s. In theory I could potentially just find a team picking in the bottom of the 1st each year to trade next year's UTA 1 to. As long as I'm reasonably confident of winning some games.

I don't have the balls of mike, though.

[Sharkn20]

Wow we are near to end the Top-10 and are a lot awesome guys in maybe all positions to Draft!! What a quality!!

[Guest]

I think I got BPA with Amos Irwin and we'll be switching back to the 3-4 now that we have a legit PR monster at WLB.

I think this guy might be as good as Nemesis' monster WLB in FOFL. Even if he's just a shade below, he should still be insane.

[Isacco]

I think I got BPA with Amos Irwin and we'll be switching back to the 3-4 now that we have a legit PR monster at WLB.

I think this guy might be as good as Nemesis' monster WLB in FOFL. Even if he's just a shade below, he should still be insane.

Great pick Wizard!

When you have a great "all around outside linebacker" like this do you think the best position in a 3-4 is SLB or WLB? With this great coverage ability is not limited to use him like WLB?

[Guest]

Great pick Wizard!

When you have a great "all around outside linebacker" like this do you think the best position in a 3-4 is SLB or WLB? With this great coverage ability is not limited to use him like WLB?

Thanks! Had my eyes on a couple other guys for this pick too, but this guy is so good I felt the best course of action was take him and convert to 3-4.

It's often irked me that it seems such a waste to play a guy like this at WLB where he just rushes the passer. Then again, I've seen guys like this play SLB in a 4-3 and I still think "What a waste! Imagine the sacks he could get!"

After watching Damon Kummerfeldt get 30+ sack totals in FOFL on Nemesis' Calverton team though, I have been converted! If someone is that amazing at rushing the passer, it's a true game changer.

Now, if he is just a very good pass rusher and not a truly exceptional one, I think you might be right and playing him at WLB would be a waste. In that case it's better to run him at SLB and get some cheap guy who just rushes the passer at WLB.

[Isacco]

Thanks! Had my eyes on a couple other guys for this pick too, but this guy is so good I felt the best course of action was take him and convert to 3-4.

It's often irked me that it seems such a waste to play a guy like this at WLB where he just rushes the passer. Then again, I've seen guys like this play SLB in a 4-3 and I still think "What a waste! Imagine the sacks he could get!"

After watching Damon Kummerfeldt get 30+ sack totals in FOFL on Nemesis' Calverton team though, I have been converted! If someone is that amazing at rushing the passer, it's a true game changer.

Now, if he is just a very good pass rusher and not a truly exceptional one, I think you might be right and playing him at WLB would be a waste. In that case it's better to run him at SLB and get some cheap guy who just rushes the passer at WLB.

Sorry, I'm asking because I have some great OLB in two other leagues and I play them SLB. But like you said I always think is a waste to play a player like this SLB. So I like to know what's your thought about this topic. I need to experiment the move to WLB with my guys, too.
I notice that Nemesis (one of the best GM in my opinion) is able to obtain this great stats because the other three guy of the DL (LDE/RDE/NT) are in general "average" player. Do you notice the same?

[Guest]

Sorry, I'm asking because I have some great OLB in two other leagues and I play them SLB. But like you said I always think is a waste to play a player like this SLB. So I like to know what's your thought about this topic. I need to experiment the move to WLB with my guys, too.
I notice that Nemesis (one of the best GM in my opinion) is able to obtain this great stats because the other three guy of the DL (LDE/RDE/NT) are in general "average" player. Do you notice the same?

I haven't checked out his roster much, but sack / pr% distribution can be pretty wacky. I think weak pass rushers elsewhere can contribute to funneling numbers toward a LB, and that probably does occur, at least a little, with Kummerfeldt. That's why he has astronomical numbers instead of just amazing ones. I would note that Calverton's LDE isn't a TOTAL slouch, although he's not exactly a stud pass rusher.

I imagine the game totals the pass rushing potential of all your pass rushers and distributes the actual sacks to the guys with the best pass rushing stats. Does it adjust distribution based on individual matchups vs o-linemen for the sack distribution? Not sure about that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. WLB in the 3-4 seems to get more sacks funneled to it than other positions, all things being equal, but maybe I'm off base on that. That last part is just a guess, really.

All of that said, I'm going to have a much better combined pass rush with Irwin, who should have absolutely beastly PRT/PRS, than any DE I could slot in at RDE in my defense. The only negative I can imagine is that if something makes my excellent LDE's actual impact drop because 3-4 LDE's don't get factored into the pass rush as much as a 4-3 LDE's do. However, I suspect that doesn't occur. I think LDE probably contributes an equal amount of pass rushing in 3-4 and 4-3.

I've rambled a bit, but here's a tl;dr version: Kummerfeldt's numbers are probably inflated by stat funneling, but he's still an absolutely beastly pass rusher. Individual players' contribution to pass rush with big bars and matchups are probably more important than numbers generated.

Man, even my tl;dr is long winded.

[Guest]

Oh, and in regards to your LB situation, Isacco, I'd have to see the LB's bars. If he has maxed PRT/PRS it's hard not to play him at WLB. But if they're just pretty good, maybe play him at SLB and pick up a cheapo guy with just PRT/PRS and hopefully affinity at WLB.

[prinzar]

Foos, you're right about the LE when you switch schemes. I had a pretty good 12 sack guy in my 4-3 scheme in one league. I switched to 3-4 and he continued to put up good 7 or 8 sacks.
He was a long way from a star, but good numbers can still come from there in a 3-4

[Guest]

Foos, you're right about the LE when you switch schemes. I had a pretty good 12 sack guy in my 4-3 scheme in one league. I switched to 3-4 and he continued to put up good 7 or 8 sacks.
He was a long way from a star, but good numbers can still come from there in a 3-4

Yeah, the only question is this: Are extra sacks just being distributed to the WLB because of the sack distribution formula? Is that LDE still contributing just as much to the pass rush, but just not getting the stats? I think LDE probably still contributes as much and the WLB just "steals" the credit.

No way to be sure, but since the Great Ben E Lou runs exclusively 3-4, I'll use that as the tiebreaker. If I had a disgusting pass rushing DT I probably wouldn't have switched, but since I don't....it's 3-4 time!

[Sharkn20]

One of the most intriguin things for me is the amount of passes that my LBs corp allow year after year, so if you have 4 pretty good linemans and this beast at coverage still on 4-3 man!! You will beat a lot TE and RB out of the backfield qith this awesome coverman...