2019 Week 17 Best And Worst Performances.

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Ellis started slow this year as I transitioned to a 3-4 (really, he's better for a 4-3, but anyway), but he still ended up #2 in QBKD and #4 in Hurries. I had thought his lack of sacks was based on the Sense Rush ratings of the QBs I face, but it could be a huge combination of factors. I didn't draft Ellis, but perhaps he's just slow and doesn't get there in time.

Maybe it is just coincidence but it is interesting to note that the top 4 players at getting sacks this season were either RDEs or WLBs. Only two LDEs cracked the top 10. However, a lot more LDEs appear on the knockdowns and hurries top 10.

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Maybe it is just coincidence but it is interesting to note that the top 4 players at getting sacks this season were either RDEs or WLBs. Only two LDEs cracked the top 10. However, a lot more LDEs appear on the knockdowns and hurries top 10.

dont put too much stock in the RDE vs LDE i know for me Andrews plays on both sides and sadly you cant always tell what side hes lined up on. but in the base set im pretty sure hes on the left side.

i remember reading somewhere that it was a more favorable match up as most people thin IRL terma and put the best T on the left side

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i remember reading somewhere that it was a more favorable match up as most people thin IRL terma and put the best T on the left side

Well, you could be right. Yoda told me a while ago that the LT is the most important position for pass blocking in FOF. But I don't really know - I have never tested it.

I did think it was interesting to see the discussion about FOF having the LDE and RDE mixed up. I'm glad to see that someone busted that myth. There is so much floating around out there - I would not believe anything without some testing first.

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Mixed up in what sense? You would expect to find some top pass rushers at 4-3 RDE, and also 3-4 linebackers, wouldn't you?

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Well, you could be right. Yoda told me a while ago that the LT is the most important position for pass blocking in FOF. But I don't really know - I have never tested it.

I did think it was interesting to see the discussion about FOF having the LDE and RDE mixed up. I'm glad to see that someone busted that myth. There is so much floating around out there - I would not believe anything without some testing first.

There's so much FOF information that's either pure nonsense or outdated on the internet that I pretty much only trust things Ben, Yoda and a few others say.

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Mixed up in what sense? You would expect to find some top pass rushers at 4-3 RDE, and also 3-4 linebackers, wouldn't you?

well the problem with that at least for the WLB is that the "weak" side isint always the (offenses) left side so the WLB rush againt both T's.

the other and less provable arguement is that does the line flip? when you chose "aline to stong/weak side" it flips the LB's, CB's and S but not the dline? not sure if the game is smart enough to do that.

but looking at those high hurrie low sack guys they all have monster bars

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Mixed up in what sense? You would expect to find some top pass rushers at 4-3 RDE, and also 3-4 linebackers, wouldn't you?

Bear told Disturbed that the LDE went against the LT and that the RDE(4-3)/WLB(3-4) goes against the RT (the opposite of real life). A couple of others supported that sentiment.

Someone else mentioned that players probably don't actually go up against anyone and I think there may be some merit to that. One thought is that it could be a global offensive vs defensive line battle, with stats being assigned after the fact based on match-ups.

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I just want to see what 'mixing up' you guys are talking about. What is the "what we should expect" scenario that isn't happening? sorry, you might have to explain it step by step to me.

The "strong" side is the side the TE is lined up on. The SLB will also line up on that side. CBs don't switch based on that; there's a left corner and a right corner. The same is true for the OL and DL. I guess the strong safety is always on the strong side.

I do agree that in real life, both linebackers in the 3-4 have considerable pass-rushing duties. In FOF, for some reason it seems like that's only really critical for the WLB. I guess it also depends on the kind of 3-4 system you run. New England for example, asks both their 3-4 LBs to be big and stout against the run as a base requirement. I thought one of the advantages of the 3-4 is that you don't really know which of the stand-up DEs playing outside linebacker is going to come for you at pass rush, but in FOF it seems to be simplified such that only the WLB blitzes every down. And the SLB covers tight ends or something...I dunno.

But in any case, that's an OLB thing and not about the DEs. I'm not really familiar with what 3-4 ends are "supposed" to be in real life. I thought they were all supposed to be run stuffers, so I guess the "3-4 LDE pass rush technician" is another one of those interesting things about FOF.

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Someone else mentioned that players probably don't actually go up against anyone and I think there may be some merit to that. One thought is that it could be a global offensive vs defensive line battle, with stats being assigned after the fact based on match-ups.

that seems to be the case especially with pass rush, so when the sack is calculated it assigns it to who had the highest probablity of gettign a sack, i recall seeing more then once my DE beating a G for a sack now granted he could be doing a stunt, but again i doubt the game is that smart

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Bear told Disturbed that the LDE went against the LT and that the RDE(4-3)/WLB(3-4) goes against the RT (the opposite of real life). A couple of others supported that sentiment.

Someone else mentioned that players probably don't actually go up against anyone and I think there may be some merit to that. One thought is that it could be a global offensive vs defensive line battle, with stats being assigned after the fact based on match-ups.

Oops, you posted while I was replying to Strick above. I see now. What Bear said is odd, I don't know if I buy that. Where's the support for it? Your assessment at the end would make the most sense, but my opinion on that isn't based on anything either.

Although, I checked my log against my 19-0 win against Phoenix earlier in the season, where my WLB had 3 sacks.

Results to follow.

Phoenix: Weak formation with three wide receivers, strength is right. The defense is in a 34 with nickel personnel and 2-deep man-to-man coverage, keying aggressively on the pass.
3-10-PHO43 (2Q: 04:07) Marcus Ramsey sacked by OLB Ian Subramanian for a loss of 9 yards. Subramanian ran right past (RT2) Norman Macomber and knocked down the quarterback.

Phoenix: Strong formation with three wideouts, strength is left. The defense is in a 34 with nickel personnel and 3-deep zone coverage, keying aggressively on the pass.
4-10-UTA49 (4Q: 07:15) Marcus Ramsey sacked by OLB Ian Subramanian for a loss of 5 yards. Sack allowed by (LT) Karl McKenzie.

Phoenix: I formation with two tight ends, strength is left. The defense is in a 34 with nickel personnel and 2-deep bump-and-run coverage, expecting the pass.
3-1-UTA23 (2Q: 00:55) Marcus Ramsey sacked by OLB The Subterranean Subramanian for a loss of 8 yards. Sack allowed by (RT) my favorite Martin.

This is a bad example in retrospect. Strick has 3 tackles, and Martin is by far the best. He could have been playing RT or LT depending on how the depth chart was aligned for that game. Same goes for the backup. Damn, I'm sorry, that really didn't say anything.

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yeah thats why i was saying earlier that since we cant consistantly say "Marcus Martin is lined up at RT"

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I do agree that in real life, both linebackers in the 3-4 have considerable pass-rushing duties. In FOF, for some reason it seems like that's only really critical for the WLB.

I feel like the 3-4 was kind of an after thought in FOF. I think the game was designed for the 4-3 and then adapted for a 3-4. I don't really know how a 3-4 works in real life but it's clear FOF does not do the 3-4 justice.

Personally, I think of it this way. In the 3-4, the WLB does what the RDE does in the 4-3. the RDE becomes the RDT. Etc, etc.

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I feel like the 3-4 was kind of an after thought in FOF. I think the game was designed for the 4-3 and then adapted for a 3-4. I don't really know how a 3-4 works in real life but it's clear FOF does not do the 3-4 justice.

Personally, I think of it this way. In the 3-4, the WLB does what the RDE does in the 4-3. the RDE becomes the RDT. Etc, etc.

in that respect it does mimic real life think Terrell Suggs in Baltimore or what the texans are doing with Mario Williams, or jason taylor at the end of his career they are referred to as an "elephant" LB usually an undersized DE from college, he will play standing up or sometimes with his hand down