Quiet Exit: Villon Steps Down as Colonial Skipper

[Clay]

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[Lintyfresh85]

Ah yes, and I believe someone was telling others it was dumb to scoop up the good coaches during the season because there would be plenty available in the offseason.

Hmm... I can't seem to remember who said that.

[Clay]

Ah yes, and I believe someone was telling others it was dumb to scoop up the good coaches during the season because there would be plenty available in the offseason.

Hmm... I can't seem to remember who said that.

There's plenty of talent out there... plus there's no proof the Manager's make any significant difference on human controlled team.

Plus, I'm all about staying profitable.

[Lintyfresh85]

Anecdotal evidence... but I've seen a marked improvement from my players in current rating jumps since I've filled my entire minor leagues with high rated coaches.

I haven't seen any improvement in potential as of yet, but it does seem to make a difference in how fast a player gains current ratings.

[Clay]

Anecdotal evidence... but I've seen a marked improvement from my players in current rating jumps since I've filled my entire minor leagues with high rated coaches.

I haven't seen any improvement in potential as of yet, but it does seem to make a difference in how fast a player gains current ratings.

I stick by my "Maine Theory". A successful franchise has the biggest impact on development.

[Lintyfresh85]

What do you mean by that?

Are you saying the minor league teams will be successful as long as the major league team is?

[Clay]

What do you mean by that?

Are you saying the minor league teams will be successful as long as the major league team is?

My theory is that the more successful franchises have more success in developing their minor leaguers and have a lower position of high OSA busts.

Some could argue that it's a chicken v egg thing. Teams are more successful because they develop players better, but I think it's the opposite.

If you go back and look at draftees that were highly thought of by OSA that eventually became 'busts', in many cases they were thought of highly by all franchises. However, they busted.

I am of the opinion that if you take JOHN BALLPLAYER that OSA, MAINE and MORGANTOWN all see as a 7-7-7 type pitcher. I believe that he is more likely to achieve his 7-7-7 in the Maine organization than he will in the Morgantown organization.

[Clay]

PS - I'm not saying the Minor League TEAMS will be successful... I'm talking strictly about the development of hte players. I could care less how many games my minor league teams win.

[Lintyfresh85]

PS - I'm not saying the Minor League TEAMS will be successful... I'm talking strictly about the development of hte players. I could care less how many games my minor league teams win.

I actually do care... mainly because I believe an unhappy player has a better chance at not developing to his full potential than does a happy one. *

* - I have absolutely no proof that my theory is true. Just my personal thoughts.

[Clay]

I actually do care... mainly because I believe an unhappy player has a better chance at not developing to his full potential than does a happy one.

From all I've read all you really need to manage properly is their level.

Even the most successful minor league franchises are 'meh' most years. There's such an eb and flow of talent that you usually get a runaway team every year.

Again, just my opinion based on my observation, there is no real NEED to manage the minors... only manage the playing time and level of the players in it.

[Pat]

I manage my minors because:

1.) It's fun.
2.) I think players benefit from hitting in certain roles. Figuring out those roles in the minor leagues can be very beneficial to their development.
3.) Winning keeps your players happy. Happy players develop better.

[Clay]

I manage my minors because:

1.) It's fun.
2.) I think players benefit from hitting in certain roles. Figuring out those roles in the minor leagues can be very beneficial to their development.
3.) Winning keeps your players happy. Happy players develop better.

1) Agree
2) Agree - but it's about the individual player and not the function of the team
3) Semi-Agree - I think it's rare that a minor league player gets "unhappy" because of the team's success. It all comes down to managing his level.

[Pat]

1) Agree
2) Agree - but it's about the individual player and not the function of the team
3) Semi-Agree - I think it's rare that a minor league player gets "unhappy" because of the team's success. It all comes down to managing his level.

1.) Not just winning, but keeping an eye on stats. Etc.
2.) Yes, but players benefit from what is around them. Therefore I do see it as a functioning team. If you surround your top 100 OF prospect with scrubs, he probably won't hit as well. But if he is sandwiched between two .300 hitters...
3.) Not only winning and losing but players get upset about their individual performance, which, according to my #2, is team related.

[Ryan]

I think you guys are over-thinking this thing.

In the Clown's organization, we mandate that all managers bring donuts in for our players before each and every game, from A ball to the Bigs.

And, since there is no 'Donut Selection' rating for managers, it doesn't really matter who you have managing the club. They just gotta remember which donuts the fellas like!

We have an informational pamphlet available if anyone is interested.

[Carlos]

Heh, I manage my minor league managers as if they have emotions and I reward them for good work.

My current Bench Coach was a former AA manager of the Oklahoma City team that went to the championship in 1987.

I've also moved managers from both AA and A ball to Hitting Coach positions where I felt they would thrive while hiring other men to manage. Those managers turned hitting coaches did a good job for the organization and I want them to stay on.

I'm not saying it's the right way to do it; I'm just saying it's how I do it. By the way, I do think managers in the minors have a nice little effect. It might not be major, but any effect is a good effect to me.