Stat of the day

[Matt]

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="title2"><td>Players To Win A Glove Wizard Award, End Of Season Award, And Be An All-Star In The Same Season
(EOS Awards: Stout Slugger, Pale Ale Pitcher, Refreshing New Brew)

</td></tr> <tr><td> No player has won all three honors in the same season </td></tr></tbody></table>



Bummer.

[Jim]

Most Saves in Debut Season
(Top 25 Players, Inaugural Season Ignored)

<table style="width: 693px; height: 579px;" class="sortable" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr class="headline"><td class="hsc2_l">Player</td><td class="hsc2_l">Team</td><td class="hsc2">Year</td><td class="hsc2">SV</td></tr></thead> <tbody><tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Ernesto Guzma</td><td class="s1_l">PIT</td><td>1979</td><td>22</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Frank Davis</td><td class="s2_l">PIT</td><td>1980</td><td>16</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Dustin Aitkenhead</td><td class="s1_l">PHI</td><td>1981</td><td>14</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Pat Richmond</td><td class="s2_l">MIS</td><td>1986</td><td>12</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">George Birley</td><td class="s1_l">SIN</td><td>1986</td><td>11</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Leland Rupp</td><td class="s2_l">SIN</td><td>1980</td><td>11</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Jos Benabise</td><td class="s1_l">SIN</td><td>1984</td><td>10</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Ivn Daz</td><td class="s2_l">DEN</td><td>1984</td><td>10</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Urbano Solis</td><td class="s1_l">CAL</td><td>1979</td><td>9</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Ral Frayo</td><td class="s2_l">LAM</td><td>1985</td><td>9</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Pat Lyons</td><td class="s1_l">CHI</td><td>1987</td><td>8</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joe White</td><td class="s2_l">HYU</td><td>1980</td><td>8</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Mike Russell</td><td class="s1_l">VIR</td><td>1980</td><td>7</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Takejiro Ito</td><td class="s2_l">WAS</td><td>1987</td><td>7</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Curt Johnston</td><td class="s1_l">IND</td><td>1988</td><td>5</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Hong-bin Su-Tu</td><td class="s2_l">BAL</td><td>1984</td><td>4</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Phil Mcswain</td><td class="s1_l">LAM</td><td>1987</td><td>4</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joe Arebalo</td><td class="s2_l">LAM</td><td>1980</td><td>4</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Duane Porter</td><td class="s1_l">PIT</td><td>1988</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Julin Rodrguez</td><td class="s2_l">CAL</td><td>1986</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Zander Tillman</td><td class="s1_l">MIS</td><td>1983</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Juan Donestevez</td><td class="s2_l">DAL</td><td>1980</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Shawn Mills</td><td class="s1_l">CHI</td><td>1987</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joe Solozano</td><td class="s2_l">VIR</td><td>1980</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Gill Pape</td><td class="s1_l">DEN</td><td>1982</td><td>3</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Carlos]

A lot of bad pitchers on this list.

[BradleyB]

I blame the switch to X for Birley's demise. He was still rolling during his sophomore season and this year he's crap.

[Clay]

Like today's too....

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=title2><TD>Highest Career Three True Outcome Totals (HR's, BB's, K's)
(Top 25 Players)</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE class=sortable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=935 border=0><THEAD><TR class=headline><TD class=hsc2_l sorttable_columnindex="0">Player</TD><TD class=hsc2 sorttable_columnindex="1">PA</TD><TD class=hsc2 sorttable_columnindex="2">HR</TD><TD class=hsc2 sorttable_columnindex="3">BB</TD><TD class=hsc2 sorttable_columnindex="4">K</TD><TD class="hsc2 sorttable_sorted" sorttable_columnindex="5">TTO 6</TD><TD class="hsc2 " sorttable_columnindex="6">TTO%</TD></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Pedro Eires</TD><TD>7074</TD><TD>328</TD><TD>785</TD><TD>1514</TD><TD>2627</TD><TD>37.1</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Neil Hildebrand</TD><TD>7105</TD><TD>198</TD><TD>1218</TD><TD>1119</TD><TD>2535</TD><TD>35.7</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Bill Fallon</TD><TD>6675</TD><TD>278</TD><TD>757</TD><TD>1365</TD><TD>2400</TD><TD>36.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Sergio Lumar</TD><TD>6614</TD><TD>329</TD><TD>938</TD><TD>789</TD><TD>2056</TD><TD>31.1</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Pedro Zamarida</TD><TD>6765</TD><TD>248</TD><TD>796</TD><TD>993</TD><TD>2037</TD><TD>30.1</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Chaim Lamberts</TD><TD>6519</TD><TD>144</TD><TD>808</TD><TD>1077</TD><TD>2029</TD><TD>31.1</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Amato Albors</TD><TD>6768</TD><TD>147</TD><TD>757</TD><TD>1121</TD><TD>2025</TD><TD>29.9</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Wilton Harcourt</TD><TD>6196</TD><TD>282</TD><TD>841</TD><TD>899</TD><TD>2022</TD><TD>32.6</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Jorge Taracena</TD><TD>5941</TD><TD>166</TD><TD>1003</TD><TD>816</TD><TD>1985</TD><TD>33.4</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Joe Delarruz</TD><TD>6584</TD><TD>120</TD><TD>918</TD><TD>941</TD><TD>1979</TD><TD>30.1</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Desi Rochs</TD><TD>6597</TD><TD>167</TD><TD>624</TD><TD>1174</TD><TD>1965</TD><TD>29.8</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Dan Hogan</TD><TD>5562</TD><TD>196</TD><TD>572</TD><TD>1191</TD><TD>1959</TD><TD>35.2</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Malachi Stiver</TD><TD>5439</TD><TD>220</TD><TD>877</TD><TD>831</TD><TD>1928</TD><TD>35.4</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Everardo Gremades</TD><TD>6330</TD><TD>194</TD><TD>1029</TD><TD>681</TD><TD>1904</TD><TD>30.1</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Clint Lance</TD><TD>5310</TD><TD>133</TD><TD>798</TD><TD>961</TD><TD>1892</TD><TD>35.6</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>François Dupuis</TD><TD>6031</TD><TD>197</TD><TD>664</TD><TD>1028</TD><TD>1889</TD><TD>31.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Eddie O'Fallon</TD><TD>7000</TD><TD>184</TD><TD>835</TD><TD>866</TD><TD>1885</TD><TD>26.9</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Malcolm McSherson</TD><TD>6906</TD><TD>180</TD><TD>816</TD><TD>880</TD><TD>1876</TD><TD>27.2</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Herb MacCutcheon</TD><TD>5434</TD><TD>166</TD><TD>658</TD><TD>1051</TD><TD>1875</TD><TD>34.5</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Jerry Fortin</TD><TD>5604</TD><TD>181</TD><TD>839</TD><TD>841</TD><TD>1861</TD><TD>33.2</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Takanibu Sato</TD><TD>6524</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>702</TD><TD>1038</TD><TD>1846</TD><TD>28.3</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Charlie MacCabe</TD><TD>6683</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>820</TD><TD>912</TD><TD>1845</TD><TD>27.6</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Nick Latham</TD><TD>6295</TD><TD>244</TD><TD>628</TD><TD>956</TD><TD>1828</TD><TD>29.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Ángelo Opio</TD><TD>6666</TD><TD>187</TD><TD>566</TD><TD>1058</TD><TD>1811</TD><TD>27.2</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Harry Elliott</TD><TD>6118</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>962</TD><TD>769</TD><TD>1800</TD><TD>29.4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Clay]

For reference... here is the same list for MLB from 1913-2007 (by %)

<TABLE style="MARGIN-LEFT: auto; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto; TEXT-ALIGN: left" cellPadding=5 border=2><TBODY><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Rank</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Name</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">PA</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">SO</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">BB</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">HR</TH><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">TTO/PA</TH></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Rob Deer</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">4512</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1409</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">575</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">230</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4907</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">2</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Adam Dunn</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">4098</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1092</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">675</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">238</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4893</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">3</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Jim Thome</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">8427</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">2043</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1459</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">507</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4757</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">4</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Mark McGwire</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">7660</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1596</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1317</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">583</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4564</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Mickey Tettleton</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5745</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1307</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">949</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">245</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4353</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">6</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Pat Burrell</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">4743</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1137</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">683</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">218</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4297</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">7</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Jay Buhner</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5927</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1406</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">792</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">310</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4231</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">8</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Brad Wilkerson</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">3444</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">879</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">457</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">118</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4222</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">9</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Gorman Thomas</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5486</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1339</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">697</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">268</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4200</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">10</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Troy Glaus</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5203</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1165</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">701</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">277</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4119</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">11</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Danny Tartabull</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5842</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1362</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">768</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">262</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4094</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">12</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Don Lock</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">3116</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">776</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">373</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">122</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4079</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">13</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Jose Canseco</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">8129</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1942</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">906</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">462</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4072</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">14</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Mickey Mantle</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">9909</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1710</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1733</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">536</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.4016</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">15</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Reggie Jackson</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">11416</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">2597</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1375</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">563</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.3972</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">16</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Darryl Strawberry</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">6326</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1352</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">816</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">335</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.3957</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">17</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Gene Tenace</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">5525</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">998</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">984</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">201</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.3951</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">18</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Pete Incaviglia</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">4677</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1277</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">360</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">206</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.3941</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">19</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Eric Davis</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">6147</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1398</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">740</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">282</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.3937</TD></TR><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">20</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">Jim Edmonds</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">7307</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">1587</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">919</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">362</TD><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center">.3925

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[Pat]

Six former or current Bats on the list.

[Jistic]

I guess I'm not smart enough to understand why this matters.

[Lintyfresh85]

It doesn't.

It's just a neat stat.

[Clay]

I guess I'm not smart enough to understand why this matters.

I believe that the "believers" in TTO say it's important because it's the only three events that do not involve the Defensive Team and therefore remove one of the most difficult factors to track.

Why is it important.... well... yeah.

[Jistic]

Ok...well at least it makes some sense to me now.

And it just hit me why you love this stat so much Clay with the legendary Rob Deer at the top of the list.

[Clay]

Not only Deer... but Tettleton and Inky too. All 3 of those guys were on the Tigers at the same time. '91 season... easily the year I went to more games than any other. Man I saw some legendary swings and misses that summer.

[Jistic]

And the juice was flowin!

[Carlos]

edit:

It just hit me why this is important. Ok, I like it.

[Jake]

Maybe I'm still missing something but my problem with TTO at my low level of understanding is that it's not weighted or doesn't differentiate between Ks vs BB vs HRs. A guy with 700 Ks, 100 HRs, and 150 walks with similar ABs to a guy with 300 HRs, 250 walks, and 400 Ks will have the same %.

I dunno. I guess dudes who care about it look at this stat and when satisfied, then use other sabermetrics to tell the story.