The 2031 Daily Keg - Week 22

[funclown]

I never tanked intentionally and am not doing that bad as yourself. So yes, you have been longer, but not as careful.
So with all respect, play the game as it is supposed to be played and you won't have as much disadvantage... Anyways you should have high draft picks and lots of revenue sharing to start over again, just don't crash the ship again.

I concur in the new GMs bit though, they should have a clean bill when they enter in the league.

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Haven't really tanked until past few months. Only have missed the playoffs last 3 seasons. Your thinking of a different decade. Actually was trying to win, they just suck. (And got some bad version change vibe)

My media market is still ok also. I timed out the next "window" its changes.


No, I've seen Windy City once dominate an entire decade and that team got ZERO boost. Actually the first non season they didn't make the playoffs Jistic told me the media market, budget all collapsed in an instant. Didn't make sense if you dominate an entire decade. Again over the season its mostly fair, but sometimes teams have a bit more luxury in market size, fan loyaly ect.

I won't bore anyone with this. I know nothing. On to next season.

[funclown]

Yep. Any idiot can win with Washington. It's a miracle that the Bats don't win the title every year with the advantages that are so obviously baked into the game in my team's favor. Just owner ineptitude keeps us from winning a bunch of rings.

Wasn't trying to rip you at all. I'm simply saying its nice to walk into a pretty good baseball team. This really was about a new GM walking onto a team. Could of been anyone.

[Carlos]

I won't bore anyone with this. I know nothing. On to next season.

You're right. Market has a lot to do with it. It's easier to bounce back when your market is huge or astronomical. But when you're average, a decade of winning doesn't move the needle enough to soften the blow of a needed rebuild.

It's just really tough to keep a low market successful long enough to see the market size increase. And if you're a really bad market when you take over as a new owner, it's going to take a really long time. Unfortunately, the experience is most guys give up and then the new guy comes in and starts over.


FYI: my market has moved twice in the time I've been with Denver. It moved up in the 80s and then down in the early 2000s. It has remained there since. I know the joke is "it's Denver" but Denver's overall record hasn't actually been that bad since those terrible late 90's / early 2000s when I tanked the team on purpose.

It hasn't been great either but my point is, the market has stayed the same because the team has stayed the same. I figure it's the same result for a lot of teams that had long stretches of being bad and haven't exactly become decade long dominant squads.

That said, I'm not supporting a change in markets or anything. But I do think new owners deal with some tough shit.

[PaulC]

You're right. Market has a lot to do with it. It's easier to bounce back when your market is huge or astronomical. But when you're average, a decade of winning doesn't move the needle enough to soften the blow of a needed rebuild.

It's just really tough to keep a low market successful long enough to see the market size increase. And if you're a really bad market when you take over as a new owner, it's going to take a really long time. Unfortunately, the experience is most guys give up and then the new guy comes in and starts over.


FYI: my market has moved twice in the time I've been with Denver. It moved up in the 80s and then down in the early 2000s. It has remained there since. I know the joke is "it's Denver" but Denver's overall record hasn't actually been that bad since those terrible late 90's / early 2000s when I tanked the team on purpose.

It hasn't been great either but my point is, the market has stayed the same because the team has stayed the same. I figure it's the same result for a lot of teams that had long stretches of being bad and haven't exactly become decade long dominant squads.

That said, I'm not supporting a change in markets or anything. But I do think new owners deal with some tough shit.

Maybe that is all that needs to be looked at... Not making it easy for new owners, but just giving them some kind of incentive to get over the hump... It almost seems like the parameters of having an expansion franchise might be better than taking over a dumpster fire like Morgantown...

[Pat]

I have seen some OOTP leagues give one amnesty to new GMs.

[funclown]

You're right. Market has a lot to do with it. It's easier to bounce back when your market is huge or astronomical. But when you're average, a decade of winning doesn't move the needle enough to soften the blow of a needed rebuild.

It's just really tough to keep a low market successful long enough to see the market size increase. And if you're a really bad market when you take over as a new owner, it's going to take a really long time. Unfortunately, the experience is most guys give up and then the new guy comes in and starts over.


FYI: my market has moved twice in the time I've been with Denver. It moved up in the 80s and then down in the early 2000s. It has remained there since. I know the joke is "it's Denver" but Denver's overall record hasn't actually been that bad since those terrible late 90's / early 2000s when I tanked the team on purpose.

It hasn't been great either but my point is, the market has stayed the same because the team has stayed the same. I figure it's the same result for a lot of teams that had long stretches of being bad and haven't exactly become decade long dominant squads.

That said, I'm not supporting a change in markets or anything. But I do think new owners deal with some tough shit.

Mine has never moved. Not once. Huge fan base and above average loyalty.

We've been above ,500 since my tenure with 4 Cups, 8 DL Flags and jesus I don't know how many playoff appearances.

[Carlos]

Mine has never moved. Not once. Huge fan base and above average loyalty.

We've been above ,500 since my tenure with 4 Cups, 8 DL Flags and jesus I don't know how many playoff appearances.

It's possible it's even harder now. I don't know what exactly moves the market.

[Sharkn20]

For one market to go up, another one have to come down.

[Delandis]

I had a bump in loyalty and market size a few years back (maybe 8-10 seasons ago). Might have been after our run in 2024.

Went from Very Big to Huge (too easy) and whatever is below good loyalty.

But that was the only time in the 40 or so odd seasons I've been around where it went up or down.

[Matt]

Our Market sizes go from Above Average to Astronomical. The rating scale is 0-20.

10-20 is Astronomical
9 is Huge
8 is Very Big
7 is Big
6 is Above Average
5 is Average
4 is Below Average
3 Small
2 is Tiny
1 is Minimal
0 is Nonexistant

Astronomical: 1 team (and they are at 10)
Huge: 7 teams
Very Big: 6 teams
Big: 6
Above Average: 4

[Delandis]

Our Market sizes go from Above Average to Astronomical. The rating scale is 0-20.

10-20 is Astronomical
9 is Huge
8 is Very Big
7 is Big
6 is Above Average
5 is Average
4 is Below Average
3 Small
2 is Tiny
1 is Minimal
0 is Nonexistant

Astronomical: 1 team (and they are at 10)
Huge: 7 teams
Very Big: 6 teams
Big: 6
Above Average: 4

So the SD isn't big at all. But you can sort of tell by the media money. Last time I checked there was only a 7MM difference between the top and bottom.

[liquidcrash]

Here's the market size / fan loyalty ratings (taken from the "Meet the Team" pages in game):
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Team	Market Size	Fan Loyalty
Baltimore	Huge	Good
Batavia	Astronomical	Above Avg
California	Big	Above Avg
Carolina	Very Big	Good
Denver	Above Avg	Above Avg
Hartford	Very Big	Good
Indianapolis	Big	Good
Los Angeles	Huge	Above Avg
Maine	Huge	Very Good
Miami	Very Big	Good
Montreal	Very Big	Poor
New Orleans	Above Avg	Average
New York	Very Big	Good
Pawtucket	Huge	Good
Philadelphia	Big	Good
Phoenix	Huge	Average
Pittsburgh	Big	Good
Santo Domingo	Huge	Good
Seattle	Big	Good
Syracuse	Above Avg	Average
Toronto	Very Big	Good
Washington	Huge	Good
Wilmington	Big	Above Avg
Windy City	Above Avg	Good

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As mentioned by Matt, there's 7 teams with "Huge" Markets, and then Batavia at astronomical. The majority of the league has "Good" fan loyalty, with Maine being the only one at Very Good. I'm just failing to see where Washington has some distinct advantage in terms of financials. For all of my ability to "print money", my budget is just $2 million higher than Maine and Seattle. It wasn't that long ago that I wasn't even first in the league in budget, Batavia was slightly ahead, iirc. My budget hasn't increased in several years, despite growing revenue. Obviously I inherited a good team, but I don't believe that there's anything special about Washington that the game favors.

If we want to discuss options to ensure new owners don't inherit some kind of hopeless situation, or if there's significant belief that our markets and fan interest need to be "corrected", I guess that's a different conversation. No one wants to sign up to be the Pirates of the BLB, I would guess.

[Matt]

1. I thought you said "Pirates in the BLB" and I was going to cry.

2. Hank constantly drinks too many Smirnoff's and gets on the PA system and tells his fans they are stupid.

3. Batavia is Astronomical because we put together a heck of a run for two decades...but we also increased seats to the max and would adjust ticket prices to fill the park. Almost every other year we added 1,000 seats and trust me...it helps.

4. No one in their right mind is really hating on your success. I used to give you grief for taking over Washington but you are far past the line where Pat's success ends and yours has begun.

5. I honestly don't think any situation is helpless in the BLB anymore, even for new owners. Understand you might have to bite the bullet for a few season while you rebuild, use the waiver wire and trades to your advantage, save your money for seats and IAFA's, and then be smart with who you keep and how much you pay them down the road.

[Sharkn20]

Lol so all in all Pawtucket is one of the biggest markets in the game and complaining about that it needs to be reset...

[Matt]

I think he made valid questions. Obviously the fact finding mission helped solve some of those. No point in being negative towards anyone.