2012 End of Season Awards

[Z]

I don't understand all the Stout Slugger votes for Ethan Bafford given abundance of excellent candidates who played in more than Bafford's 116 games.

Bafford played terrific baseball when he took the field for Pittsburgh but I have trouble believing his contributions in his 116 games exceed the performance of other elite hitters over 150-160 contests.

I understand you could make a similar argument against Murillo, but to me there's no comparison between a Triple Crown winner and a hitter who didn't rank among the leaders for any counting stats.

[mike]

I don't understand all the Stout Slugger votes for Ethan Bafford given abundance of excellent candidates who played in more than Bafford's 116 games.

Bafford played terrific baseball when he took the field for Pittsburgh but I have trouble believing his contributions in his 116 games exceed the performance of other elite hitters over 150-160 contests.

I understand you could make a similar argument against Murillo, but to me there's no comparison between a Triple Crown winner and a hitter who didn't rank among the leaders for any counting stats.

Because he's a fucking animal.

[Z]

Because he's a fucking animal.

He is!

But I'm taking the lion who mauled three gazelles over the lion who really, really eviscerated the one gazelle he killed.

[mike]

He is!

But I'm taking the lion who mauled three gazelles over the lion who really, really eviscerated the one gazelle he killed.

He tore up 6.1 animals in 116 games and still scared off 32 poachers.

I guess 7 gazelles in 158 games is nice.

[Pat]

I don't understand all the Stout Slugger votes for Ethan Bafford given abundance of excellent candidates who played in more than Bafford's 116 games.

Bafford played terrific baseball when he took the field for Pittsburgh but I have trouble believing his contributions in his 116 games exceed the performance of other elite hitters over 150-160 contests.

I feel the same way. Murillo played just eight more games than Bafford, but he won the BLB's first ever Triple Crown. Bafford had an AMAZING year but only for 116 games. The list of Stout Slugger candidates is long in the DL. Very tough to vote.

I'm also surprised by the lack of votes for Ryan as GM of the year. The Clowns were 70-92 last year. Let that sink in. In the off-season he completely overhauled the roster: Tom Estes, Travis Wallis, Seth Race, Tyler Dahmen, Pat Mouton, BJ Leary, Evandro Dionsio and J.J. Anastasiadis were all brought in as Free-Agents. He also made big moves in last years off-season signing Ed Armstrong and trading for JJ Caplan. Then he made the biggest trade of the year sending one of the best prospects in baseball to Death Valley for Robby English and RJ Manning.

They won 92 games this year in a division that the three other teams have 88, 82 and 69 wins...the most wins by any division's #2-#4. As a whole, the Pilsner finished just two wins behind the Ale, highly considered the "best division."

And whoever voted for Troy Martin, thanks, but no Bat deserves votes this year.

[Matt]

I don't understand all the Stout Slugger votes for Ethan Bafford given abundance of excellent candidates who played in more than Bafford's 116 games.

Bafford played terrific baseball when he took the field for Pittsburgh but I have trouble believing his contributions in his 116 games exceed the performance of other elite hitters over 150-160 contests.

I understand you could make a similar argument against Murillo, but to me there's no comparison between a Triple Crown winner and a hitter who didn't rank among the leaders for any counting stats.

Because he's a fucking animal.

He is!

But I'm taking the lion who mauled three gazelles over the lion who really, really eviscerated the one gazelle he killed.

He tore up 6.1 animals in 116 games and still scared off 32 poachers.

I guess 7 gazelles in 158 games is nice.

This upcoming series is going to be fantastic.

[Z]

I feel the same way. Murillo played just eight more games than Bafford, but he won the BLB's first ever Triple Crown. Bafford had an AMAZING year but only for 116 games. The list of Stout Slugger candidates is long in the DL. Very tough to vote.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

I appreciate Bafford's play.

Mike was giving me a hard time about Suarez not ranking in meaningful counting stats.

At least Suarez led the league in total bases while placing in the top five for several other categories including hits, home runs, and runs scored.

Bafford didn't accumulate ANY counting stats relative to the other candidates. He didn't crack the top five in a single one.

Again, great year when he was on the field, but still...

[umd]

I voted for Ryan. That trade benefited both of us and he made some great moves to the top. He saw an opportunity to move up the standings and went for it with FA and trades.

This will be a critical offseason for the Clowns. The rotation needs to be rounded out and there are some youngsters who should take steps forward. In the bullpen, there are some critical pending FAs and probably room to add some more depth. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the middle of that line-up, as the veterans there have been terrific, but are aging.

[mike]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

I appreciate Bafford's play.

Mike was giving me a hard time about Suarez not ranking in meaningful counting stats.

At least Suarez led the league in total bases while placing in the top five for several other categories including hits, home runs, and runs scored.

Bafford didn't accumulate ANY counting stats relative to the other candidates. He didn't crack the top five in a single one.

Again, great year when he was on the field, but still...

I don't know why you're taking shots at the best talent in the DL but now you've woken up this Lion and I'm tired of hearing you take shots at my favorite player.


The "counting stats" nonsense needs to end.


1st in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in RC/27
1st in ISO
2nd in wOBA
3rd in AVG
5th in WAR
6th in IBB
6th in SB
7th in VORP
7th in 3B
7th in HR
8th in OBP
9th in XBH
9th in RC
9th in R

in 116 games. With DWI defense in left and on the team that won the hardest division in the game.


Don't be bitter that Suarez isn't getting a lot of votes. You can be disappointed but you better take it out on someone else, not Ethan Bafford Z.

He won't win, but anytime someone votes for Ethan Bafford, it is FAR from the wrong vote.


(LOL Pat, the Pilsner is really comparable to the Ale. Finding any chance you can to take shots. I'll take Pittsburgh, Maine and Pawtucket over any other trio in this league pal.)

[funclown]

I don't know why you're taking shots at the best talent in the DL but now you've woken up this Lion and I'm tired of hearing you take shots at my favorite player.


The "counting stats" nonsense needs to end.


1st in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in RC/27
1st in ISO
2nd in wOBA
3rd in AVG
5th in WAR
6th in IBB
6th in SB
7th in VORP
7th in 3B
7th in HR
8th in OBP
9th in XBH
9th in RC
9th in R

in 116 games. With DWI defense in left and on the team that won the hardest division in the game.


Don't be bitter that Suarez isn't getting a lot of votes. You can be disappointed but you better take it out on someone else, not Ethan Bafford Z.

He won't win, but anytime someone votes for Ethan Bafford, it is FAR from the wrong vote.


(LOL Pat, the Pilsner is really comparable to the Ale. Finding any chance you can to take shots. I'll take Pittsburgh, Maine and Pawtucket over any other trio in this league pal.)

You said "HARD"

[Z]

I'm just trying to be consistent.You were the one arguing for Monson over Suarez last week on the basis of counting stats.

To me being seventh or ninth in a category isn't a compelling reason to vote for someone for the league's premier hitting award.

Is Bafford really great? Obviously.

I'm only suggesting his overall body of work this season was less really great compared to players who spent the entire year playing really great and whose accumulated statistics reflect it.

[Pat]

(LOL Pat, the Pilsner is really comparable to the Ale. Finding any chance you can to take shots. I'll take Pittsburgh, Maine and Pawtucket over any other trio in this league pal.)

I would take Pittsburgh, Maine and Pawtucket over any trio in the league too. But it's pretty clear that Hartford was the worst team in baseball.

Pittsburgh, Maine, Pawtucket's record vs. Hartford: 45-17

[Z]

I would take Pittsburgh, Maine and Pawtucket over any trio in the league too. But it's pretty clear that Hartford was the worst team in baseball.

Pittsburgh, Maine, Pawtucket's record vs. Hartford: 45-17

Surprising Hartford finished with even that record against the rest of the Ale.

If you compared their winning percentage versus the Ale's three 90-win teams, it's almost exactly the same as their winning percentage in non-Ale games.

You'd expect them to get decimated in the Ale but they held their own relatively speaking.

[mike]

I'm just trying to be consistent.You were the one arguing for Monson over Suarez last week on the basis of counting stats.

To me being seventh or ninth in a category isn't a compelling reason to vote for someone for the league's premier hitting award.

Is Bafford really great? Obviously.

I'm only suggesting his overall body of work this season was less really great compared to players who spent the entire year playing really great and whose accumulated statistics reflect it.

1. You couldn't sense the sarcasm about monson? I mean I was pretty direct with the whole "I only use home runs and RBI to determine good hitters and wins and losses to determine good pitchers......"

2. You mean consistent like Ethan Bafford?

3. You're right being 7th or 9th in a category isn't impressive. But you like consistency...right? How about being top 10 in 16 categories for offense?


There was zero reason to even "point it out" dude. Now I'm going to defend him till the death because of all players in this league to take shots at, you shouldn't take a shot at him.

[Z]

Like I said, he's really good!

"Zero reason to even point it out?"

I pointed it out because this thread exists to discuss the voting.

Of course it is of interest to me who is leading the Stout Slugger voting in the league I play in—an award for which my team has two very good candidates.

It's not like I trashed the guy.

I said Bafford played terrific baseball and I'm surprised he's receiving so many votes relative to guys who played great baseball over 30% more games. No one, myself included, said anything negative about his play.