Official "From the Tap" update thread.

[liquidcrash]

I haven't noticed any of these stats problems in my single player game, and I don't see anything on my team that's weird. Maybe just a bad start?

[Jistic]

It's 30 games!
I'm not bitching about my pitching going from one of the best in the league to shit.....yet.

I don't feel the DL pain because I thought your offensive stats were inflated to begin with, just like I thought our pitching stats were.

I'm with Sully on this one.

[Squint]

What I'd like to know is how more than one of my players have dropped up to 40 potential points from the change over from '06 to '07. I traded for a guy who was a 55 and 57 on two of my best scouts and now he's a 20 on each of them.

[rubisco43]

It's 30 games!
I'm not bitching about my pitching going from one of the best in the league to shit.....yet.

I don't feel the DL pain because I thought your offensive stats were inflated to begin with, just like I thought our pitching stats were.

30 games is significant. no one's bitching, but it *could* be a cause for concern.

[Sully]

What I'd like to know is how more than one of my players have dropped up to 40 potential points from the change over from '06 to '07. I traded for a guy who was a 55 and 57 on two of my best scouts and now he's a 20 on each of them.

Yeah, I've noticed this as well. This is a cause for concern, and one of the main reasons I hope this is our last change to a new version of OOTP.

[Whale]

What I'd like to know is how more than one of my players have dropped up to 40 potential points from the change over from '06 to '07. I traded for a guy who was a 55 and 57 on two of my best scouts and now he's a 20 on each of them.

Yeah, I've noticed this as well. This is a cause for concern, and one of the main reasons I hope this is our last change to a new version of OOTP.

I've kind of taken this with a grain of salt. I've had a bunch of guys that have been rated at 20, almost like it was a default, however they are still playing like they were beforehand. Even doing quick scouting on some of them it showd their true ratings. Not sure if it's a glitch or what, but it's certainly an odd thing.

[Riverman]

What I'd like to know is how more than one of my players have dropped up to 40 potential points from the change over from '06 to '07. I traded for a guy who was a 55 and 57 on two of my best scouts and now he's a 20 on each of them.

Yeah, I've noticed this as well. This is a cause for concern, and one of the main reasons I hope this is our last change to a new version of OOTP.

I've kind of taken this with a grain of salt. I've had a bunch of guys that have been rated at 20, almost like it was a default, however they are still playing like they were beforehand. Even doing quick scouting on some of them it showd their true ratings. Not sure if it's a glitch or what, but it's certainly an odd thing.

I've noticed this as well. I think there is something wrong with the overall ratings in this game. Probably 2/3 to 3/4 of my minor leaguers are 20s yet many of them are playing great. Guys hitting .340 but according to all of my scouts they are 20 current and 20 potential. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Andrew]

I've noticed this as well. I think there is something wrong with the overall ratings in this game. Probably 2/3 to 3/4 of my minor leaguers are 20s yet many of them are playing great. Guys hitting .340 but according to all of my scouts they are 20 current and 20 potential. It doesn't make sense to me.

My guess is it's because we use the "Overall vs League" option rather than "Overall vs Position". I know most people in OOTP use the latter, so the first option might be slightly bugged. This is also a shift from OOTP 2006 since it wasn't customizable.

[Squint]

I've noticed this as well. I think there is something wrong with the overall ratings in this game. Probably 2/3 to 3/4 of my minor leaguers are 20s yet many of them are playing great. Guys hitting .340 but according to all of my scouts they are 20 current and 20 potential. It doesn't make sense to me.

My guess is it's because we use the "Overall vs League" option rather than "Overall vs Position". I know most people in OOTP use the latter, so the first option might be slightly bugged. This is also a shift from OOTP 2006 since it wasn't customizable.

I don't think that's it.

I've seen Charlie Hoeft, Hamilton Flowers, Juan Penilla (who is 35 years old by the way), Gil Harran, and a few others take absolute nose dives in the actual ratings and potential areas and play like crap as well. It's to the point where it has actually affected the overall composition of my entire franchise and has me scrambling to fill holes in areas I wasn't expecting to fill holes.

[Pat]

I've seen Charlie Hoeft, Hamilton Flowers, Juan Penilla (who is 35 years old by the way), Gil Harran, and a few others take absolute nose dives in the actual ratings and potential areas and play like crap as well. It's to the point where it has actually affected the overall composition of my entire franchise and has me scrambling to fill holes in areas I wasn't expecting to fill holes.

My scouts ratings of the guys, from BEFORE the switch to OOTP2007.

Hoeft: high 30s.
Pretty solid in AAA, but never did anything that great consistently at the major league level.

Flowers: potential in the high 40s.
Just potential.

Penilla: high 30s.
Career ERA is like a 5.

Harran: mid 30s.
Hasn't done anything beyond level A.

I really don't see how these guys have left you "me scrambling to fill holes." They are about on par as what I would expect.

[Squint]

I've seen Charlie Hoeft, Hamilton Flowers, Juan Penilla (who is 35 years old by the way), Gil Harran, and a few others take absolute nose dives in the actual ratings and potential areas and play like crap as well. It's to the point where it has actually affected the overall composition of my entire franchise and has me scrambling to fill holes in areas I wasn't expecting to fill holes.

My scouts ratings of the guys, from BEFORE the switch to OOTP2007.

Hoeft: high 30s.
Pretty solid in AAA, but never did anything that great consistently at the major league level.

Flowers: potential in the high 40s.
Just potential.

Penilla: high 30s.
Career ERA is like a 5.

Harran: mid 30s.
Hasn't done anything beyond level A.

I really don't see how these guys have left you "me scrambling to fill holes." They are about on par as what I would expect.

I don't see how your scouts have anything to do with my scouts. I thought we opted to vacate the universal ratings system in favor of scouts for the sake of ambiguity.

My scouts had Flowers in the 60's, Harran in the 50's, Hoeft (the biggest drop of all) at 63 (you can ask Robby or Andrew about this one).

Hoeft and Penilla were the two I was referring to the most with my "scrambling" statement. Penilla was coming off a fairly good season and Hoeft looked very good in late September and even in his AAA starts last year in the Javelinas system.

I don't get why it's so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that what one team perceives as good may not be shared by others.

Should we all start using diesel's scouts or at least running all of our transactions through you first?

[Pat]

I don't see how your scouts have anything to do with my scouts. I thought we opted to vacate the universal ratings system in favor of scouts for the sake of ambiguity.

My scouts had Flowers in the 60's, Harran in the 50's, Hoeft (the biggest drop of all) at 63 (you can ask Robby or Andrew about this one).

Hoeft and Penilla were the two I was referring to the most with my "scrambling" statement. Penilla was coming off a fairly good season and Hoeft looked very good in late September and even in his AAA starts last year in the Javelinas system.

I don't get why it's so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that what one team perceives as good may not be shared by others.

Should we all start using diesel's scouts or at least running all of our transactions through you first?

First of all, you answered your own question. "Why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that what one team perceives as good may not be shared by others?" The same can be said for your scouts. Is it too hard to realize that maybe they were wrong?

Lets look at this individually:

Penilla is 34, with a career 5.50 ERA. 1980 looks like a complete fluke. Look at his BABIP.

Harran's OPS has dropped very little as compared to last year. It looks like he is the same player.

Hoeft has struggled a bit, but his career BLB ERA is 4.67. He is not too far off from that.

[Squint]

I don't see how your scouts have anything to do with my scouts. I thought we opted to vacate the universal ratings system in favor of scouts for the sake of ambiguity.

My scouts had Flowers in the 60's, Harran in the 50's, Hoeft (the biggest drop of all) at 63 (you can ask Robby or Andrew about this one).

Hoeft and Penilla were the two I was referring to the most with my "scrambling" statement. Penilla was coming off a fairly good season and Hoeft looked very good in late September and even in his AAA starts last year in the Javelinas system.

I don't get why it's so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that what one team perceives as good may not be shared by others.

Should we all start using diesel's scouts or at least running all of our transactions through you first?

First of all, you answered your own question. "Why is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that what one team perceives as good may not be shared by others?" The same can be said for your scouts. Is it too hard to realize that maybe they were wrong?

Lets look at this individually:

Penilla is 34, with a career 5.50 ERA. 1980 looks like a complete fluke. Look at his BABIP.

Harran's OPS has dropped very little as compared to last year. It looks like he is the same player.

Hoeft has struggled a bit, but his career BLB ERA is 4.67. He is not too far off from that.

Hoeft is 25 years old and looked every bit the solid BLB starter prior to this season. Again, his ratings 53 (OVR)/63 (POT) from my scouts and his AAA performances say otherwise.

Harran was a minor league All-Star. Again, his potential ratings dropped 35 points.

I don't know what else to tell you about Penilla. His actual rating of 52 to his potential rating of 53 combined with last year's performance would lead anyone to believe that he'd be a reliable releiver. There isn't enough statistcal information to form an accurate assessment about what his performance may be over the life of his career. I can only go off of what his OVR and POT ratings are combined with how he performed for MY TEAM.

I can see one or two players dropping in potential, but when it has shown to be a league-wide issue then it is worth looking into.

Again.....this is just another example of you trying to impose your opinion as fact because you see it through your scouts and and a using a couple of isolated stats and instances to skew an argument your way. Get off your high horse and try to look at it like this.

OOTP '06 = OVR and POT at 52/53 and 54/62

OOTP '07 = OVR and POT at 20/20

If I was the only one bringing this up then I wouldn't have said anything, but seeing as how about at least four other owners have brought it up I'd say it's an issue.

[robster1225]

One thing to consider is that if we are only seeing OVR/POT ratings change, and not the individual ratings, then I say there really isn't an issue. Of course, there is a problem with the OVR/POT ratings, and way to many 20/20's, but if the individual ratings aren't changing, then they are still the same players. Now, if your seeing pitchers are dropping from 7/7/7 to 3/3/3, then there may be a huge problem.

[robster1225]

Another thing to note.. OVR/POT are relative ratings, they have no bearing on how a player performs. The only ratings that determine how they perform are the individual ones.