*1991 Awards Voting*

[Carlos]

I had a feeling you voted Zamarida third. I saw that and said: "That was Jake."

Guys like Brode and Leonard are the ones I think deserved more love.

Nothing against Carillo but my thoughts are that outside of 20 wins, he wasn't the best pitcher. Really, I just wanted to make a statement this year with pitchers.

I saw a load of guys that had "bad" records relative to the one 20 game winner but still had very impressive numbers across the board. So I voted for them because I think they had just as impressive, if not better, seasons than Carillo.

As for the strikeout numbers, I won't argue it. Everyone chooses different stats to look at. I decided not to penalize a guy for not being a strikeout pitcher. But that was my choice. I don't expect others to feel the same way.

My disappointment is mostly that I feel Carillo wins the award because of Wins. I think it's just too hard to ignore that big 20.

And I really didn't lose respect for anyone. I'm just being dramatic to prove a point.

[Z]

For the record, I didn't give Mac Avery the third place DL Pale Ale vote. But I do love to see that he received one.

And oh yeah, vote Rex Morgan for DL Refreshing New Brew. Beast! Beast! Beast!

[Carlos]

For the record, I didn't give Mac Avery the third place DL Pale Ale vote. But I do love to see that he received one.

And oh yeah, vote Rex Morgan for DL Refreshing New Brew. Beast! Beast! Beast!

I expect you to argue with me. I've been trying to build up this huge, argument with you ever since the day you said your team would win the championship. And you've done nothing but step away from confrontation!

As for Rex Morgan, he's good.

[Z]

Why would I argue with you? Carrillo's season speaks for itself.

And don't worry about the title. We'll win one next year. Our pitching wasn't good enough this season.

[funclown]

I expect you to argue with me. I've been trying to build up this huge, argument with you ever since the day you said your team would win the championship. And you've done nothing but step away from confrontation!

As for Rex Morgan, he's good.

I voted for Rex despite his cross-dressing tendancies. Perfect fit for those questionable characters in Pittsburgh

[Jake]

And don't worry about the title. We'll win one next year. Our pitching wasn't good enough this season.

I believed you when you said you were the team to beat in the DL and I got burned then. I want to believe you this time, but it hurts to think about the pain if you're lying to us again.

[Z]

We had a pretty ridiculous record after the All-Star Break. But our pitching wasn't good enough to beat Pawtucket when it counted. We went 2-7 against them in the last month of the season. That made all the difference.

[Matt]

P.S. Olivo... another guy my mediocre GM skills procured in a trade.

The super scout helps a lot too.

Take my crappy scout before I fired him and see where it get's you.

1st Rd 84: SP Sasaki - A very expensive losing pitcher
1st Rd 85: SP Stephens - Huge bust
1st Rd 86: OF Jones - Bigger bust
1st Rd 88: OF Merner - Biggest bust

And don't forget the unlimited budget.

<table style="width: 401px; height: 51px;" class="lposhadow" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="srg">1</td><td class="slg">Virginia Colonials</td><td class="srg">$113,170,000 119-43
</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">2</td><td class="sl">Baltimore Bulldogs</td><td class="sr">$112,960,000 93-69
</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">3</td><td class="slg">Washington Bats</td><td class="srg">$112,050,000 100-62
</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="width: 358px; height: 51px;" class="lposhadow" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="sr">22</td><td class="sl">Hartford Whalers</td><td class="sr">$75,720,000 73-89
</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">23</td><td class="slg">Batavia Muckdogs</td><td class="srg">$70,020,000 72-90
</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">24</td><td class="sl">Morgantown Mohawks</td><td class="sr">$60,940,000 65-97
</td></tr></tbody></table>.

[Pat]

Again, hate to complain because of my embarrassment of riches this season, but I think Olivo is getting the short end of a Virginia pushback. Not taking anything away from Kit Kat or the rookie, but I'm not sure they should be stealing this award from Olivo.

Kit Kat, again great numbers, I think will own this award in the future... but his BABIP is like .050 points higher... his WHIP is 0.24 higher... Again, great player... he was on my ballot. But, I just don't see him better than Olivo this season.

The rookie, again, STUD... but I think he's really coasting in on a nice K total. BABIP is nearly .300 and, again, WHIP is 1.17 to Olivo's 0.93.

Sure I value my guys highly... but more importantly I think the best seasons should be rewarded. My opinion... I know.... but I think Olivo is getting hurt by some Owners want to not give another major award to a Colonial.

You are trying to use his BABIP as an argument? I'm not sure you fully understand that statistic.

Mills had more wins, innings, strikeouts and a better ERA/VORP. He also had the exact same save % and played for a much, much worse team.

This wasn't even close for me. Mills #1, Olivo #2, Basil #3.

On the other hand, Jerry Daly is currently stealing the New Brew award from Basil Petrohilos so it may even out.

I'm not surprised. Even though he is deserving, I figured the MR would be overlooked by some voters.

[Clay]

For the record, I didn't give Mac Avery the third place DL Pale Ale vote. But I do love to see that he received one.

And oh yeah, vote Rex Morgan for DL Refreshing New Brew. Beast! Beast! Beast!

I voted for Mac Avery 3rd.

The super scout helps a lot too.

Take my crappy scout before I fired him and see where it get's you.

1st Rd 84: SP Sasaki - A very expensive losing pitcher
1st Rd 85: SP Stephens - Huge bust
1st Rd 86: OF Jones - Bigger bust
1st Rd 88: OF Merner - Biggest bust

And don't forget the unlimited budget.

<table style="width: 401px; height: 51px;" class="lposhadow" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="srg">1</td><td class="slg">Virginia Colonials</td><td class="srg">$113,170,000 119-43
</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">2</td><td class="sl">Baltimore Bulldogs</td><td class="sr">$112,960,000 93-69
</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">3</td><td class="slg">Washington Bats</td><td class="srg">$112,050,000 100-62
</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="width: 358px; height: 51px;" class="lposhadow" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="sr">22</td><td class="sl">Hartford Whalers</td><td class="sr">$75,720,000 73-89
</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">23</td><td class="slg">Batavia Muckdogs</td><td class="srg">$70,020,000 72-90
</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">24</td><td class="sl">Morgantown Mohawks</td><td class="sr">$60,940,000 65-97
</td></tr></tbody></table>.

Call it BUDGET if you want, but my player payroll was $86.0. Nowhere near $113.0.

You are trying to use his BABIP as an argument? I'm not sure you fully understand that statistic.

Mills had more wins, innings, strikeouts and a better ERA/VORP. He also had the exact same save % and played for a much, much worse team.

This wasn't even close for me. Mills #1, Olivo #2, Basil #3.

Isn't a Closer's job to get players to put balls in play and keep them off the bases? I think the combination (which I used) of BABIP and WHIP is what a reliever should be judged on.

[Delandis]

Call it BUDGET if you want, but my player payroll was $86.0. Nowhere near $113.0.

For once I agree with Clay. My payroll was only $77 mil. I've got extra money even with the $100 million cap that I won't be able to use just to upgrade my stadium, which is complete trash, BTW. As it stands right now, I can spend $15 million in FA next year and still have a lower payroll than Batavia.

[BradZ]

I voted for Mac Avery 3rd.


Call it BUDGET if you want, but my player payroll was $86.0. Nowhere near $113.0.


Isn't a Closer's job to get players to put balls in play and keep them off the bases? I think the combination (which I used) of BABIP and WHIP is what a reliever should be judged on.

WHIP yes, BABIP no.

BABIP is commonly used as a red flag in sabermetric analysis, as a consistently high or low BABIP is hard to maintain - much more so for pitchers than hitters. Therefore, BABIP can be used to spot fluky seasons by pitchers, as those whose BABIPs are extremely high can often be expected to improve in the following season, and those pitchers whose BABIPs are extremely low can often be expected to regress in the following season.

[Jake]

Even the worst sabermetricians would say that BABIP is a random stat best used as an indicator of how much luck a pitcher receives over the course of a season.

I remember reading a Rob Neyer column when the stat was getting some attention, that it was more or less created on the hypothesis that a guy like Randy Johnson would have a lower BABIP because since his stuff was so nasty, he'd have more sawed off grounders to short and jammed bloopers to first, while a guy with average to below average stuff would give up a ton of line drives to the gaps and solidly hit balls and therefore have a higher BABIP.

Anyways... turns out, it wasn't true. The reason guys like Johnson were more successful than your run of the mill 5th starter was because Johnson sat more guys down without them hitting the ball. So, no, you don't want your closer putting balls in play for his fielders to handle, because it's eventually going to catch up with him.

The one mitigating factor that can contribute one way or another is defense, but I don't think it would make more than a .05 to .10 difference over the long run. I'm sure there's some research about that.

Now, I don't know if OOTP handles BABIP like they do in real life. I'd like to think so, and I do think so, but it wouldn't surprise me if a german misunderstood the stat and built it into the engine one way or another.

All that being said, Olivo is still the clear first choice for me. Mills had a great year, but a .91 WHIP over that many appearances is just too impressive for me to look past.

[Carlos]

The German used DIPS which doesn't take BABIP into account. BABIP is just an effect, not a cause.

DIPS takes what should be valued which is Ks and HRs. About the only thing most saber heads believe a pitcher can control. The rest is up to the fielders and BABIP can affect that.

I think it's important to note that Poole and his low BABIP was also aided by the DL's best defense according to Zone Rating and, ahem, BABIP.

Not to toot my own horn because who knows what the heck that really means. All I'm saying is that defense aids a pitcher's BABIP and it should come as no surprise that the guy that led the DL in BABIP played on a team that had the lowest BABIP and highest Zone Rating in the Domestic League.

It's supporting the argument.

[rubisco43]

Finley Kinsey for DL Stout Slugger
1st in BA
3rd in OBP
2nd in SLG
1st in OPS
1st in VORP
1st in Hits
3rd in Total Bases

Adrian Perez (rookie ratings)
2nd in Avg
3rd in OBP
4th in SLG
3rd in OPS
2nd in VORP
2nd in Hits
4th in HR
3rd in RBI
4th in Runs
3rd in Total Bases

Thank you for your consideration.