Let's win it for . . .

[Z]

Wilton Harcourt hit his 300th career BLB home run this past sim. As one of the finest players in league history, he belongs in the BLB Hall of Fame. But not yet.

Despite his outstanding career, he's played in the postseason only once, when his Denver Bulls fell to Maine -- who else? -- in five games in the 1981 DLCS.

He turned 39 this year. I wouldn't bet on him playing another season.

I've been through the ringer with him. He probably goes into the Hall wearing a Virginia cap, but he burst onto the BLB stage in Philadelphia back in '79. It's been fun. I want to win it for him.

A lot of teams look competitive this year. More than in recent years. Discuss.

[Jake]

Personally, I want to win it for Pedro Zamarida. But at two games under .500 with the worst pitching staff in the league, I think we're going to let him down.

[Carlos]

This entire thread is Win!

The fact that Z wants to win the championship to honor an active player that isn't even on his team is hilarious. I wonder what the owner has to say.

Actually, I do know thanks to Mr. Wolf chiming in! I think Denver would like to win for Pedro Zamarida, thank you very much.

The old man deserves a ring and the HOF before Mr. Harcourt. Yea, I said it.

[Pat]

The fact that Z wants to win the championship to honor an active player that isn't even on his team is hilarious. I wonder what the owner has to say.

Z's team is the Millers....Harcourt plays for the Millers...

The old man deserves a ring and the HOF before Mr. Harcourt. Yea, I said it.

I agree with this and it's not even close. I don't even see Harcourt making the HOF.

[BradZ]

Z's team is the Millers....Harcourt plays for the Millers...

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

"Germans?"

"Forget it, he's rolling"

[Clay]

Wow... besides our mutual hatred of Diesel and mancrush on Sully... this is the only thing that Z and I agree on.

[Carlos]

Z's team is the Millers....Harcourt plays for the Millers...

It's not 1987? I blame my work schedule.

[Sully]

I love me some me.

[Z]

I agree with this and it's not even close. I don't even see Harcourt making the HOF.

I'm not looking to start a huge debate here, but outside of Geoff Scott, who has only played a few seasons, Harcourt is the by far the best second baseman in BLB history. To me, that merits enshrinement.

[Clay]

I'm not looking to start a huge debate here, but outside of Geoff Scott, who has only played a few seasons, Harcourt is the by far the best second baseman in BLB history. To me, that merits enshrinement.

Co-sign. His injury seasons hurt his total numbers, but Harcourt is HOF worthy.

[Jake]

Harcourt is a converted 3B who, while he did put up better fielding numbers at 2nd, probably got more ABs at that position because of less competition there on past teams. He might be a HOF, but I feel the need to argue about something here, right or wrong. I just feel like that's a misleading statement.

[Z]

I'm confused. You're saying he played better defensively at second, and played far more games at second, but that he should be judged as a third baseman?

[Jake]

Yeah... basically I had a little juice in me after dinner and couldn't find enough evidence to back up my feeling but I wanted to say it anyways. Happens all the time...

But, I don't know enough about defensive statistics to know whether or not it's easier to field 2B than 3B. I guess my point is, I could play Hector Carbajal at 2B the rest of his career and eventually he would have played more games there and likely at a higher level than he's playing third right now. But I'm not sure I'd call him the 2nd best 2B of all time at that point.

[Carlos]

I'm confused. You're saying he played better defensively at second, and played far more games at second, but that he should be judged as a third baseman?

I think what he should be saying and didn't get to say is:

Wilton Harcourt is not a good defensive player. He played better at 2B than 3B, but he never shined at either position.

Offensively, he is a 3B playing out of position. His opportunity to play 2B has made his career stand out more because there is not much offensive competition at the 2B position compared to the 3B position.

Now my thoughts:

Harcourt did have a fine career for a 2B, but agree with it or not, I don't give a crap about position. Maybe catcher because I know that they fatigue faster and that can directly affect their performance, but elsewhere, I don't care.

What Harcourt has done offensively is very good. Whether he played 2B or 3B, he hit 300 homeruns over a 14 year career and sports an OPS of .835.

That being said: I don't know if I see him as great. I see him as very good. If you want to compare him to other 2B then sure, he's great. But that's why we have votes.

[Jake]

I think what he should be saying and didn't get to say is:

Wilton Harcourt is not a good defensive player. He played better at 2B than 3B, but he never shined at either position.

Offensively, he is a 3B playing out of position. His opportunity to play 2B has made his career stand out more because there is not much offensive competition at the 2B position compared to the 3B position.

Now my thoughts:

Harcourt did have a fine career for a 2B, but agree with it or not, I don't give a crap about position. Maybe catcher because I know that they fatigue faster and that can directly affect their performance, but elsewhere, I don't care.

What Harcourt has done offensively is very good. Whether he played 2B or 3B, he hit 300 homeruns over a 14 year career and sports an OPS of .835.

That being said: I don't know if I see him as great. I see him as very good. If you want to compare him to other 2B then sure, he's great. But that's why we have votes.

The voice of reason. I'm going to politely ask that Carlos follow up on all my posts from this point forward.