COMP PICKS

[Andrew]

Do you have an opinion on the value of BLB picks versus MLB picks?

Yes, my opinion is that it's very difficult to compare the two. :D

I agree that the BLB draft picks are probably worth more, but I also think MLB doesn't do enough to compensate small market teams. Often times a first round pick hurts a small market team because of signability issues. Good players slip to later slots in the draft because teams can't sign them.

[liquidcrash]

In game, if a team signs a Type A free agent, they lose their first round pick. Type B- 2nd round, Type C- 3rd round. The players who are going to get the huge contracts are all likely Type A.

Major problem with how the game works is that if a team has traded that draft pick, then no compensation is given.

[Andrew]

Personally, I think that the age parameters and the "must be drafted by and played in farm system" things should be looked at. That would kill the "double dipping" on the same guy. Comp should only be paid on a player once (IMHO).

I agree that they should be looked at, I just wish these things were brought up sooner. I also don't think age parameters are necessary if you are eliminating double dipping or enforcing a "drafted by" policy.

[Clay]

Do you have an opinion on the value of BLB picks versus MLB picks?

Yes, my opinion is that it's very difficult to compare the two. :D

Spoken like a real Commish... ;)

I agree that they should be looked at, I just wish these things were brought up sooner.

I understand and I apologize that they weren't. I was just trying to understand the whole thing and it didn't crystalize with me till I saw (a) what the FA class looked like and (b) what said FA's were asking for. I had a rough guess, but I wasn't sure if the WANTS would go down since the money available has gone down.

[Andrew]

I guess my opinion is I'm willing to negotiate on "drafted by" and "no double dipping" but I think the compensation needs to stay where it is.

Using Los Lunas as an example. He's over budget this year and a 29 year old Sergio Lumar will be hitting Free Agency after the 1981 season. Lumar will probably demand somewhere in the Stiver ballpark, which is almost half his budget. Anything less than a 1st round pick hurts Los Lunas more than helps him. Even then, I guarantee if he had the means he'd take Lumar over that pick.

[liquidcrash]

I believe in the MLB draft, picks 1-15 are protected from compensation. Teams drafting in those slots would give up their 2nd round pick instead. Maybe we should look into a similar system?

[Andrew]

I believe in the MLB draft, picks 1-15 are protected from compensation. Teams drafting in those slots would give up their 2nd round pick instead. Maybe we should look into a similar system?

We already are. Picks 1-10 of the first round are protected under our system. They'd send a 2nd and 4th rounder instead.

[Sully]

I do think there should be a cap on age, but I think the rest of it should remain as is. It's unlikely that a player is only going to sign a big money contract for one season, so they shouldn't be considered rent-a-players. If they are, it's because you only offered a one year contract, a decision you made as a GM knowing you'd have to compensate the team you signed him away from.

[Clay]

I do think there should be a cap on age, but I think the rest of it should remain as is. It's unlikely that a player is only going to sign a big money contract for one season, so they shouldn't be considered rent-a-players. If they are, it's because you only offered a one year contract, a decision you made as a GM knowing you'd have to compensate the team you signed him away from.

But what, besides sportsmanship, stop someone with $50,000,000 in space to offer 3 guys contracts of $17,000,000 for 1 year - which I think they would jump at if they only want 13 or 14. Then what happens the next season?

All three go back to FA and that team has all of their budget room back plus 3 first round pick as compensation.

[Sully]

I do think there should be a cap on age, but I think the rest of it should remain as is. It's unlikely that a player is only going to sign a big money contract for one season, so they shouldn't be considered rent-a-players. If they are, it's because you only offered a one year contract, a decision you made as a GM knowing you'd have to compensate the team you signed him away from.

But what, besides sportsmanship, stop someone with $50,000,000 in space to offer 3 guys contracts of $17,000,000 for 1 year - which I think they would jump at if they only want 13 or 14. Then what happens the next season?

All three go back to FA and that team has all of their budget room back plus 3 first round pick as compensation.

Maybe the Commish would stop it? It's obviously not in the best interest of the league to have someone operating their team like that.

I'm losing McNeilage after this season, and maybe Campoveroe in 2 years. 2 of the best players in the BLB, and you think a 3rd or 4th rounder is going to replace them? You think that's fair compensation for two All Stars? Guys complain about the rough hand they were dealt with the inaugural draft, well, I sure didn't pick my market. I'd love to be operating with $100 million just as much as some guys would've rather had a younger draft class.

[Squint]

I do think there should be a cap on age, but I think the rest of it should remain as is. It's unlikely that a player is only going to sign a big money contract for one season, so they shouldn't be considered rent-a-players. If they are, it's because you only offered a one year contract, a decision you made as a GM knowing you'd have to compensate the team you signed him away from.

I was referring to acquiring players via trade with expiring contracts.

If there was an age cap then wouldn't that, for all intents and purposes, nearly all but eliminate the double-dipping issue?

[Clay]

Using Los Lunas as an example. He's over budget this year and a 29 year old Sergio Lumar will be hitting Free Agency after the 1981 season. Lumar will probably demand somewhere in the Stiver ballpark, which is almost half his budget. Anything less than a 1st round pick hurts Los Lunas more than helps him. Even then, I guarantee if he had the means he'd take Lumar over that pick.

I think that's a great example of why it is necessary. HOWEVER... I fear that we will get into a situation where nobody will sign a Free Agent because a 1st Rounder is too high and then that team will get nothing.

I'd actually be a little shocked if Stivers gets signed this off-season. If Comp was a 2nd Rounder? Maybe more sniffers. 3rd Rounder? Then I think we have a truer market.

Again, what we don't have is TIME. We can't make an accurate assessment of the value of draft picks until we see the 1978 and 79 guys become regular players in the BLB level. If 90% of the first rounders are becoming legit big-time players in the league... then a 1st Rounder might be a little much.

[Sully]

I do think there should be a cap on age, but I think the rest of it should remain as is. It's unlikely that a player is only going to sign a big money contract for one season, so they shouldn't be considered rent-a-players. If they are, it's because you only offered a one year contract, a decision you made as a GM knowing you'd have to compensate the team you signed him away from.

I was referring to acquiring players via trade with expiring contracts.

If there was an age cap then wouldn't that, for all intents and purposes, nearly all but eliminate the double-dipping issue?

Gotcha. If that's the case, maybe draft a rule that says no compensation will be granted for players you've acquired via trade in the same season their contract expires?

[Squint]

I do think there should be a cap on age, but I think the rest of it should remain as is. It's unlikely that a player is only going to sign a big money contract for one season, so they shouldn't be considered rent-a-players. If they are, it's because you only offered a one year contract, a decision you made as a GM knowing you'd have to compensate the team you signed him away from.

I was referring to acquiring players via trade with expiring contracts.

If there was an age cap then wouldn't that, for all intents and purposes, nearly all but eliminate the double-dipping issue?

Gotcha. If that's the case, maybe draft a rule that says no compensation will be granted for players you've acquired via trade in the same season their contract expires?

Why not just compensation for homegrown players only? Isn't the intent of the rule anyway? To protect the small market teams from losing the players they produce to the Yankees of the league?

[Clay]

Look... here's the bottomline for me.... and I can only speak for me.

I'm not bitching about who got what in the inaugeral draft. I'm not bitching about the new Comp System. I'm not even bitching about Giggas (for a change).

I'm not bitching.

I'm not asking to swap places with anyone.

I'm simply trying to have a dialogue about something that we really can't predict how it will turn out for multiple seasons.

However, I would be remiss if I didn't bring them up.

That's all I'm saying.