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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sully View Post
    One of the most important factors for me when voting for GM of the year is their operating budget.

    There are quite a few teams in this league that have lost great players simply because they couldn't pay them their outrageous demands. Then, there's the silly OOTP logic that lets you get quality players at a huge discount if they're signed during ST or shortly after the season has started. It is all about the green.
    Agreed 100%. Here are the team payrolls for the 1990 season.

    <table class="lposhadow" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="298"><tbody><tr class="headline"><td class="hsnr" width="50">Rank</td><td class="hscl" width="140">Team</td><td class="hsur" width="108">Payroll</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">1</td><td class="slg">Virginia Colonials</td><td class="srg">$106,830,000</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">2</td><td class="sl">Philadelphia Freedom</td><td class="sr">$101,395,000</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">3</td><td class="slg">Wilmington Wildcats</td><td class="srg">$99,541,500</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">4</td><td class="sl">California Kodiaks</td><td class="sr">$95,778,500</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">5</td><td class="slg">Maine Guides</td><td class="srg">$95,249,300</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">6</td><td class="sl">Dallas Snappers</td><td class="sr">$91,784,800</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">7</td><td class="slg">Syracuse Slammers</td><td class="srg">$89,548,630</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">8</td><td class="sl">Washington Bats</td><td class="sr">$88,930,000</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">9</td><td class="slg">Baltimore Bulldogs</td><td class="srg">$83,827,400</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">10</td><td class="sl">Denver Bulls</td><td class="sr">$83,600,000</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">11</td><td class="slg">Los Alamos Bandits</td><td class="srg">$83,481,900</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">12</td><td class="sl">Davenport Brawlers</td><td class="sr">$80,383,070</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">13</td><td class="slg">Los Lunas Javelinas</td><td class="srg">$76,860,000</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">14</td><td class="sl">Sin City Gamblers</td><td class="sr">$74,097,300</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">15</td><td class="slg">Mississippi Storm</td><td class="srg">$73,940,400</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">16</td><td class="sl">Hartford Whalers</td><td class="sr">$69,347,780</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">17</td><td class="slg">Pittsburgh Millers</td><td class="srg">$68,535,165</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">18</td><td class="sl">Pawtucket Patriots</td><td class="sr">$55,475,800</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">19</td><td class="slg">Batavia Muckdogs</td><td class="srg">$50,897,600</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">20</td><td class="sl">Carolina Tobs</td><td class="sr">$49,470,424</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">21</td><td class="slg">Windy City Playboys</td><td class="srg">$48,179,800</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">22</td><td class="sl">Hyundai Dinos</td><td class="sr">$40,465,800</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">23</td><td class="slg">Morgantown Mohawks</td><td class="srg">$38,273,600</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">24</td><td class="sl">Indianapolis Clowns</td><td class="sr">$35,935,000</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Take Virginia for example. Woodbury, Nino, and O'Hegarty made a combined $51 million this year...or more than six teams entire payroll!

    I mean I hate to bitch...I guess I just never realized it was this lopsided. It puts things in a new perspective. But hey...it is what it is. On to 1991!
    Last edited by Matt; 08-26-2010, 02:45 PM.

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    • #77
      21st payroll whores.
      WINDY CITY PLAYBOYS
      Bock Division Champions - 1978, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986, 1990, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
      Wildcard Playoff Berths - 1984, 1988, 1993, 2010
      Import League Champions - 1978, 1979, 1980, 1986, 2008, 2009
      BLB Champions - 1986, 2009
      Hall of Famers: 4
      Pale Ale Pitcher Awards: 6
      Stout Sluggers: 2
      New Brews: 6

      Originally posted by fsquid
      You guys should trade with Windy City.

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      • #78
        Mid-market power!

        It's a good place to be. You're not the scumbags up on top paying everyone a gazzillion dollars, but you also get to keep a star or two.


        Also, there are conflicting payroll reports. Guess it happens in the BLB too. One report has me at $77.3 MM. Not the $83 MM that Matt quoted.
        Denver Bulls

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        • #79
          8th highest payroll, 1st in wins.
          Wilmington Wildcats- 2057-
          Seattle Pilots- 2017-2041
          Washington Bats - 1979-2013

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Matt View Post
            Agreed 100%. Here are the team payrolls for the 1990 season.

            Spoiler

            Take Virginia for example. Woodbury, Nino, and O'Hegarty made a combined $51 million this year...or more than six teams entire payroll!

            I mean I hate to bitch...I guess I just never realized it was this lopsided. It puts things in a new perspective. But hey...it is what it is. On to 1991!

            End of year payroll figures can get skewed by midseason deals though. For example, that list shows Philly had a payroll of $101mil+ when we only actually accumulated $86.5mil in player expenses for the season. So, some of the teams at the bottom of the list who show really small payrolls may have in fact dumped salaries during the season making their end of year payroll figure distorted.

            The figure to key on his probably team budgets, not end of year payroll. I would also argue there are ways around your budget to a certain extent as well (forcing other teams to give cash in deals to offset salaries acquired). It may be a case where a small budget team has to take a Florida Marlins approach to things and go for it every 4-5 years and then sell off everything under the sun for a couple of years to build up resources to go for it again.
            Philly Freedom
            Owner & GM: 1987 - Pres.
            Porter Div. Champs (Mbr '84-'15): 1984, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2011
            Stout Div. Champs (Mbr '78-'83 & '16-present): 2016, 2017
            IL Wild Card Winner: 1987, 2013, 2018, 2019
            Import League Champs: 1984, 2010, 2017

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            • #81
              Originally posted by BradZ View Post
              It may be a case where a small budget team has to take a Florida Marlins approach to things and go for it every 4-5 years and then sell off everything under the sun for a couple of years to build up resources to go for it again.
              Unfortunately there are a few Marlins in the BLB...and none of them are winning. Like the MLB we all know who's going to win every season...or get damn close...the teams with the cash. My main goal is to reach .500 with this team and then take over whichever big budget GM retires first to have a real shot at the trophy.

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              • #82
                And I'll put up the budget numbers since you are right...they more accurately reflect wins/losses.

                <table class="lposhadow" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="298"><tbody><tr class="headline"><td class="hsnr" width="50">Rank</td><td class="hscl" width="140">Team</td><td class="hsur" width="108">Current Budget</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">1</td><td class="slg">Virginia Colonials</td><td class="srg">$112,358,026</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">2</td><td class="sl">Washington Bats</td><td class="sr">$109,776,362</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">3</td><td class="slg">Baltimore Bulldogs</td><td class="srg">$108,702,767</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">4</td><td class="sl">Dallas Snappers</td><td class="sr">$105,402,016</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">5</td><td class="slg">Syracuse Slammers</td><td class="srg">$101,990,075</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">6</td><td class="sl">Sin City Gamblers</td><td class="sr">$97,397,525</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">7</td><td class="slg">Maine Guides</td><td class="srg">$97,128,810</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">8</td><td class="sl">California Kodiaks</td><td class="sr">$96,127,990</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">9</td><td class="slg">Philadelphia Freedom</td><td class="srg">$96,119,633</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">10</td><td class="sl">Los Alamos Bandits</td><td class="sr">$90,467,626</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">11</td><td class="slg">Denver Bulls</td><td class="srg">$88,023,058</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">12</td><td class="sl">Carolina Tobs</td><td class="sr">$86,702,548</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">13</td><td class="slg">Hyundai Dinos</td><td class="srg">$84,952,209</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">14</td><td class="sl">Los Lunas Javelinas</td><td class="sr">$84,529,298</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">15</td><td class="slg">Wilmington Wildcats</td><td class="srg">$83,376,895</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">16</td><td class="sl">Windy City Playboys</td><td class="sr">$82,968,054</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">17</td><td class="slg">Davenport Brawlers</td><td class="srg">$81,599,626</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">18</td><td class="sl">Pawtucket Patriots</td><td class="sr">$79,087,479</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">19</td><td class="slg">Mississippi Storm</td><td class="srg">$76,461,758</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">20</td><td class="sl">Hartford Whalers</td><td class="sr">$72,631,952</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">21</td><td class="slg">Pittsburgh Millers</td><td class="srg">$71,267,904</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">22</td><td class="sl">Indianapolis Clowns</td><td class="sr">$67,315,106</td></tr> <tr><td class="srg">23</td><td class="slg">Batavia Muckdogs</td><td class="srg">$64,475,090</td></tr> <tr><td class="sr">24</td><td class="sl">Morgantown Mohawks</td><td class="sr">$57,458,528</td></tr></tbody></table>
                Where am I going with all this...in the worlds of Boondock Saints "no where". I know that like Republicans the fat cats are never going to give up their cash. They will just continue to convince themselves that it's their stellar GM ability that makes them win. A level playing field would be un-American!

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                • #83
                  It's not all about money, though.





                  Just ask the big budget teams that missed the playoffs.
                  Wilmington Wildcats- 2057-
                  Seattle Pilots- 2017-2041
                  Washington Bats - 1979-2013

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                  • #84
                    Personally I'd like to have a smaller budget. It's more my style.
                    Charlotte Knights - OSFL
                    Syracuse Slammers - BLB
                    South America - 1984 WBC Runner Up

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Matt View Post
                      And I'll put up the budget numbers since you are right...they more accurately reflect wins/losses.

                      Spoiler


                      Where am I going with all this...in the worlds of Boondock Saints "no where". I know that like Republicans the fat cats are never going to give up their cash. They will just continue to convince themselves that it's their stellar GM ability that makes them win. A level playing field would be un-American!
                      Mississippi, Hartford, Indy? They've all made the playoffs and are at the bottom of the list. It obviously makes it harder to stay at that level with a lower budget, don't get me wrong, but it isn't impossible. Your crime? Being a small budget team in the Porter with some fairly well run organizations, if I do say so myself.
                      Philly Freedom
                      Owner & GM: 1987 - Pres.
                      Porter Div. Champs (Mbr '84-'15): 1984, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991, 2002, 2004, 2010, 2011
                      Stout Div. Champs (Mbr '78-'83 & '16-present): 2016, 2017
                      IL Wild Card Winner: 1987, 2013, 2018, 2019
                      Import League Champs: 1984, 2010, 2017

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                      • #86
                        If we decide to turn draft pick signing on we're definitely going to need to take a second look at the financials. The small market teams would be really screwed if they couldn't sign their picks.

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                        • #87
                          FYI OOTP11 is 1/2 off until the 29th.
                          BLB
                          Los Alamos Amigos
                          GM 1982-Present
                          Brewmaster Champions - 1993
                          Import League Champions - 1993
                          Bock Division Champions - 1987, 1993, 1994, 2000, 2002

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Andrew View Post
                            If we decide to turn draft pick signing on we're definitely going to need to take a second look at the financials. The small market teams would be really screwed if they couldn't sign their picks.
                            I think it sounds cool, but consider me one of the people that thinks signing draft picks to "free agent" deals is one of the dumbest things existing in MLB. I wouldn't want it for this league, but I understand why people might think it would be cool to add that element.

                            I just don't see the real benefit, I guess. Maybe if draft picks were as sure as a free agent then I can understand the conflict of giving this sure thing an extra $2 MM over the guy who might only be an All-Star every other year. But, it doesn't work that way.

                            Real life has it wrong in my opinion.
                            Denver Bulls

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                            • #89
                              I don't want draft pick signing... enjoying it the way it is.
                              California Kodiaks - GM - 1982-2013
                              Brewmaster's Cups: 1987
                              Import League Champions: 1987, 1989
                              Porter Division Champions:                               1986, 1987, 1989, 1999                              , 2000
                              Import League Wild Card: 2001, 2003, 2004

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Pat View Post
                                It's not all about money, though.





                                Just ask the big budget teams that missed the playoffs.
                                And they'll surely admit it's mismanagement.

                                As for draft pick signing bonuses in 11, you are basically dooming all the smaller market teams to mediocrity every season if you consider that:

                                a) in established leagues most higher end free agents never make it to FA. *unless they are unsignable by a small market team

                                b) the bigger ones that do make it are either: wildly overpriced for their age, or unsignable budget wise for small market teams.

                                c) many of the small market teams will be forced (if they are smart) to either trade their top picks to the larger market teams or be forced to take players they may not prefer from the pool of lower/no signing bonus prospects. This will leave the higher tier prospects on the board for the rich teams to select at slots that are lower than they would usually go.

                                *If you can't build the best team possible through the draft and you can't sign the big name FA regularly why play? I know I wouldn't be interested in being the Pittsburgh Pirates and acting like a farm team for the larger payrolls of the BLB, hoping I can string enough 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounders on minor league contracts or arbitration to squeak out a wildcard.

                                Text sims are for fun, but losing every season is not.
                                Death Valley Scorpions (2003-Present)
                                Division Champs '05 '07 '08 '11 '13 '14 '15 '16 '19
                                IL WC '09 '10 '12 '17
                                IL Champs '13 '16 '19
                                Stout Slugger '08 (Jones) '15 (McCarley)
                                Last Call '08 (Manning)
                                New Brew '08 (Pulido)
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