1990 Awards PIMP Thread

[BradZ]

Conan Wilkerson

63.0 VORP - 1st in IL (Better than Carlton)
17 wins - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)
188 K's - 3rd in IL (Better than Carlton)
0.41 HR/9 - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)

That's all you need to know.

Well, if this is all I need to know to be informed for the awards voting season the case being made isn’t actually that strong (that Wilkerson deserves the Pale Ale over Carlton).

1) VORP - Yes Wilkerson leads the IL in Pitcher VORP over Carlton heading into the final week . . . by 0.3 points. That’s not terribly statistically significant. When you dig a little deeper it becomes even less so when you realize that the lead is mostly based on the fact that Wilkerson has thrown approx 20 more innings than Carlton. Ah, but Carlton is less valuable because he can’t go as deep into games you say? Well, actually the difference is mostly attributed to the three extra games Wilkerson has started (30 - 27). Carlton actually averages almost the same number of innings per start as Wilkerson (Carlton - 6.5 vs Wilkerson - 6.6).

2) Wins - Wins are good, but in this advanced age of statistical analysis it’s a bit underwhelming to hold up 17 wins against 16 wins as one of the cornerstones for supporting Wilkerson. There are a lot of different factors that go into pitcher Win totals that are outside of a pitcher’s control, so an advantage in wins would need to be significant to be relevant IMO (not to mention the 3 extra starts it’s taken for Wilkerson to accumulate that 1 win advantage).

3) K’s - K’s are good. It’s one of the only ways a pitcher can truly control the action on the field. Nothing bad can really happen when the opponent can’t put the ball in play. Wilkerson has an advantage here for sure. He’s a strikeout pitcher and is beloved because of that fact (though his K/9 number is down quite a bit from the last two seasons, 8.56). Carlton isn’t really a slouch in this dept either (7.15 K/9), but Wilkerson does hold an advantage here, but it’s not dominatingly so like it was in the seasons of 11 K/9 that we’ve seen Wilkerson produce.

4) Really, HR/9? This is the 4th cornerstone stat upon which this argument’s foundation is built? This might be the most significant indictment of them all. This seems to be a reach to pull a stat in which Wilkerson has the advantage.

5) Then there’s the sneaky inclusion of the missing “)”, for shame.

I’m still open to further discussion, but at this point you haven’t sold me. Perhaps we could discuss ERA+ since Carlton has such an advantage playing in a pitcher’s park? Maybe we could take a look at ERC? Now that the utility is working these figures should be easy enough to find.

Now for the inclusion of the universal symbol of “this is not mean spirited, just talking baseball”: Sorry (check)Mate!

[Delandis]

: Sorry (check)Mate!

Clay? Have you been logging in as Brad again?

[Lintyfresh85]

Well, if this is all I need to know to be informed for the awards voting season the case being made isn’t actually that strong (that Wilkerson deserves the Pale Ale over Carlton).

1) VORP - Yes Wilkerson leads the IL in Pitcher VORP over Carlton heading into the final week . . . by 0.3 points. That’s not terribly statistically significant. When you dig a little deeper it becomes even less so when you realize that the lead is mostly based on the fact that Wilkerson has thrown approx 20 more innings than Carlton. Ah, but Carlton is less valuable because he can’t go as deep into games you say? Well, actually the difference is mostly attributed to the three extra games Wilkerson has started (30 - 27). Carlton actually averages almost the same number of innings per start as Wilkerson (Carlton - 6.5 vs Wilkerson - 6.6).

2) Wins - Wins are good, but in this advanced age of statistical analysis it’s a bit underwhelming to hold up 17 wins against 16 wins as one of the cornerstones for supporting Wilkerson. There are a lot of different factors that go into pitcher Win totals that are outside of a pitcher’s control, so an advantage in wins would need to be significant to be relevant IMO (not to mention the 3 extra starts it’s taken for Wilkerson to accumulate that 1 win advantage).

3) K’s - K’s are good. It’s one of the only ways a pitcher can truly control the action on the field. Nothing bad can really happen when the opponent can’t put the ball in play. Wilkerson has an advantage here for sure. He’s a strikeout pitcher and is beloved because of that fact (though his K/9 number is down quite a bit from the last two seasons, 8.56). Carlton isn’t really a slouch in this dept either (7.15 K/9), but Wilkerson does hold an advantage here, but it’s not dominatingly so like it was in the seasons of 11 K/9 that we’ve seen Wilkerson produce.

4) Really, HR/9? This is the 4th cornerstone stat upon which this argument’s foundation is built? This might be the most significant indictment of them all. This seems to be a reach to pull a stat in which Wilkerson has the advantage.

5) Then there’s the sneaky inclusion of the missing “)”, for shame.

I’m still open to further discussion, but at this point you haven’t sold me. Perhaps we could discuss ERA+ since Carlton has such an advantage playing in a pitcher’s park? Maybe we could take a look at ERC? Now that the utility is working these figures should be easy enough to find.

Now for the inclusion of the universal symbol of “this is not mean spirited, just talking baseball”: Sorry (check)Mate!

"Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun... or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be."

[Jake]

"Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun... or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be."

[Matt]

That's bringing the "Stats Pain"!

[BradZ]

"Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun... or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be."

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[Lintyfresh85]

*flips your lunch tray over*

[Pat]

IL Refreshing New Brew Candidate


1B/C Tyrone Abbott - Player Page

.327, 107 H, 12 HR, 53 RBI, 44 Runs, 84 Games
Two time IL rookie of the month

Not sure what to expect from voters as Abbott only played half a season at the BLB level. But had he played the full season at this level (.325+ avg, 25 HR, 100 RBI) he would have walked away with the award. I still think he is arguably the best rookie this season in the IL. The kid has been hitting in the #3-#6 spot for the best team in the BLB. Also has been #1 on the team in average and #2 on the team in RBI since his debut.

[funclown]

Does this thread only pretain to IL league? Not seeing anything here with the DL.

Just asking.

[Lintyfresh85]

Yeah, feel free to post about the DL.

Just so happens the attention whore owners all manage in the IL.

[funclown]

Ok then, I'm going to push for Pawtucket (Obviously not pitchers)

Stout Slugger DL Candidate

3B Víctor 'Slider' González - Player Page

Some will of course vote for Knight, but Victor is #1 or #2 in just about every power statistic in the DL. Also 2nd in walks. Thank god I locked him up to an extension

Refreshing New Brew Candidate(s)

RF Samuel Helmrich - Player Page

G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K AVG OBP SLG SB
110 380 115 35 2 7 60 35 46 .303 .361 .461 0

Brought him up early in the year and did what I expected and then some. Only 23 and couldnt be happier

or..... (if he qualilfies)



1B Carmem Chamissa -Player Page

First full season! Last year had 210 AB so not sure if he could even rate. Had an awesome second half of the year. 32HR snuck into the top 5 this past sim.

Wish we had a breakout player award so I could nominate 2B Bob Burleson

[Ryan]

The Knight/Gonzalez race for the Stout Slugger is going to be close.

[Pat]

IL Pale Ale Candidate


SP Martin Carlton - Player Page

16-4, 2.20 ERA, .97 WHIP, 180 IP, 142 K, 1 CG SO, 86% QS, All-Star

This award belongs to the Eager Beaver. First in ERA. Second in WHIP. First in winning %. 4th in wins. 4th in opponents OPS. 3rd in VORP (lower because of 6-man rotation). 2nd in K/BB. I think Wilkerson could steal some votes, especially how he closed out the year. Plus, he has a lot more strikeouts.

IL Stout Slugger Candidate


OF Miguel Angel Padilla - Player Page

.286, 38 doubles, 40 HR, 131 RBI, 113 R, All-Star

I almost didn't even include him after his poor final week of the season. A lot of great hitters in the IL this year. I think MAP deserves consideration. He carried the best team in the league. No other D.C. player had 90+ RBI or 21+ Homeruns or 100+ runs. I think if this award was for MVP he is a lock, but did he have a top three season just based on stats? I'm not sure.

IL Last Call Candidate


CL Joe Alveraz - Player Page

6-4, 35 saves, 2.74 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 75 IP, 92% save, All-Star

I think he deserves some votes. He didn't have a better season than Chad Mullen and no one is holding a candle to Ken Bayer. But did anyone, besides those two, out pitch Alveraz from the bullpen? I'm not so sure. I was counting on Roger Simonds to be my closer for the '90 campaign but he was injured early and Alveraz ran with it.

IL Refreshing New Brew Candidate


SP Derrek Tucker - Player Page

9-8, 3.74 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 166 K, 161 IP, 1 CG SO, 67% QS

I think Derrek Tucker had the best rookie season of any pitcher. He was very reliable. Lead my team in strikeouts. Had more strikeouts than innings pitched. His WHIP is top notch. I tried to limit his innings as he is only 22-years-old. I had a hard pitch count. I think Wilmington's Hector Pagan had a great season and he is going to be a great, great pitcher. I just think Tucker had the better season. Pagan had a lot of walks, a poor WHIP and wasn't as consistent (55% quality start). He did have a better ERA and a lot more strikeouts, so I could see voters going either way, depending on preference.

IL Refreshing New Brew Candidate #2


1B/C Tyrone Abbott - Player Page

.331, 117 H, 12 HR, 59 RBI, 48 Runs, 90 Games
Two time IL rookie of the month

Not sure what to expect from voters as Abbott only played about half a season at the BLB level. But had he played the full season at this level (.330, 25 HR, 100 RBI) he would have walked away with the award. The kid has been hitting in the #3-#6 spot for the best team in the BLB. Also has been #1 on the team in average and #2 on the team in RBI since his debut. Curt Wells played a lot more games but in my opinion didn't have nearly the season. Depending on your point of view, I think you could actually argue that Abbott was the best rookie in all of the IL. He was easily the best rookie ever since his call up. It was just a little late in the season.

[Clay]

Won't go into a long pimp post...

Please consider:

IL Stout Slugger:
Mel Woodbury and Everardo Gremades

IL Pale Ale:
Nate Magness

IL Last Call:
Ivan Olivo
Sammy Scott

IL New Brew:
Hector Chavez

[funclown]

The Knight/Gonzalez race for the Stout Slugger is going to be close.

Its a total 2 person race. Lol, I thought my catcher Hector was going to join this, but faded out final few months.