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  • #31
    Originally posted by Clay View Post
    I'm not trying to come up with an answer. I was wondering (outloud) how much the Stouts win loss is hurt by Morgantown. I've said before, I don't think Win/Loss means anything big picture when viewed over a period.
    The teams that benefit most from Morgantown would be the Stout itself.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Clay View Post
      Unfortunately there's not a great way to judge it. My personal (admittedly biased) opinion is that you fielded a Stout v Porter team, the Stout would win. I think you'd have two great teams, but I think if you took a Starting 8, L & R Starter, L & R Reliever and Closer from each division... Stout would field the better team. In fact, I'd further argue that the Stout would leave players off the team through necessity that would start on the Porter.
      Ok. So if you traded Morgantown, with Baltimore or Batavia, do you truly believe you're records would be that good? Neither Virginia or Washington can honestly say that facing Baltimore or Batavia is a guaranteed win. Wilmington can probably say that about Baltimore though.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by Pat View Post
        Skewed to favor your argument.

        Last eight seasons, Stout has three Brewmasters and three IL Championships.
        What about the last year?

        What about this year?

        Clay said he didn't want to talk about the past... so, the current still favors the Porter.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Lintyfresh85 View Post
          The teams that benefit most from Morgantown would be the Stout itself.
          Not from an overall division perspective where each win by one of the top teams over Morgantown results in the division having a .500 record in those games. It doesn't help much to beat up on yourself in that case.

          From a making the playoffs standpoint, it helps.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by BradZ View Post
            Not from an overall division perspective where each win by one of the top teams over Morgantown results in the division having a .500 record in those games. It doesn't help much to beat up on yourself in that case.

            From a making the playoffs standpoint, it helps.
            Do you really want to be kicked out of the double secret Porter monthly meetings club?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Lintyfresh85 View Post
              Do you really want to be kicked out of the double secret Porter monthly meetings club?
              I've already paid my dues!!
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              • #37
                Damnit!

                You're on punch and cake duty for the rest of the year then!
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Lintyfresh85 View Post
                  What about this year?
                  Luckily, the two best, DC and Philly, play on Friday.
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                  • #39
                    I do know that Baltimore holds its own against the Stout's "best" every year.


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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by elprez98 View Post
                      Ok. So if you traded Morgantown, with Baltimore or Batavia, do you truly believe you're records would be that good? Neither Virginia or Washington can honestly say that facing Baltimore or Batavia is a guaranteed win. Wilmington can probably say that about Baltimore though.
                      I've owned Batavia the last few seasons. They win some, but I've honestly killed Batavia. I think my record with Baltimore tends to be pretty close. To be honest though, I'd argue that my winning percentage over the last 5 years against Baltimore and Batavia is better than against Morgantown.

                      Really the beauty to this whole argument is that there isn't a correct answer.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Pat View Post
                        Luckily, the two best, DC and Philly, play on Friday.
                        I've haven't played Philly yet this year. I miss them.

                        BTW - Which division is Philly, the best team in the Porter, originally from again?
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Clay View Post
                          Unfortunately there's not a great way to judge it. My personal (admittedly biased) opinion is that you fielded a Stout v Porter team, the Stout would win. I think you'd have two great teams, but I think if you took a Starting 8, L & R Starter, L & R Reliever and Closer from each division... Stout would field the better team. In fact, I'd further argue that the Stout would leave players off the team through necessity that would start on the Porter.
                          I take offense to that.

                          Produce the list. There's not one guy in the Stout that would be left off our team that could make ours.
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                          Import League Champions: 1987, 1989
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                          , 2000
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Clay View Post
                            Your team is closer than you'd think. I watch all three of our games this week and you could have easily won two of them.

                            My opinion... just that... an opinion... because you are in a division with high quality teams... it makes it more difficult to patiently wait for young talent to bloom. I think you need to consider moving prospects and or high draft picks when these big name guys hit the market like I did with Woodbury and Nino. I think teams that win help young players develop. I think you need to make big moves to get mediocre before your farm system will really blossom.
                            So are you saying it is possible that a crap teams young players' development could be hindered? Hmm that is really unfortunate... I figured your batting and pitching coaches + potential of the player is what determined development.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Lintyfresh85 View Post
                              I take offense to that.

                              Produce the list. There's not one guy in the Stout that would be left off our team that could make ours.
                              OK, you guys put yours together and we'll do ours and we'll let those other four divisions decide who's right. Fair?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by plasticbeast View Post
                                So are you saying it is possible that a crap teams young players' development could be hindered? Hmm that is really unfortunate... I figured your batting and pitching coaches + potential of the player is what determined development.
                                I have no factual evidence, but I've always called it "The Maine Effect". I think Maine has less busts than any other team because they win.
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