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  • #16
    Originally posted by Carlos View Post
    For good reason, I guess we're considering Keppel's award unofficial?


    So through 10 votes, some interesting notes:
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    • #17
      It was about the team effort in Davenport, as we have no real candidates for any awards....

      Except for the GM of the Year Award! As a Rookie GM entering the foreign waters of the BLB I was a little intimidated. I had no idea what I was getting into when I was suddenly surrounded by Playboys, Clowns, and an Eager Beaver. The projected Riverman/Spear duo for '88 did not last long, as Riverman decided to leave all the duties up to me.

      But here we are at the end of the season and Davenport has captured the Bock. It's the first time Davenport has won the division since their back to back titles in '83 and '84. Amongst rumours of the team someday moving to Toronto, the Brawler faithful have proved that Davenport is a true baseball city.

      I know that I did have some pieces in place here in Davenport but the real task was not screwing it up. Key acquisitions in the offseason included starting pitchers Alonzo Gugierrez and Yeong-suk Kang. All-Star catcher Harry Elliott signed with Davenport just prior to spring training, Elliott was the catalyst for the Brawlers' offense all year long. At the deadline, veteran starting pitcher Jimmy O'Loughlin was traded from Dallas to Davenport, after some early jitters O'Loughlin helped a beat up rotation stay in tact. RF Jose Llombart was also acquired at the deadline, Llombart returned home to the team that drafted and developed him into the star that he is. Llombart's thanks to the fans could be a Brewmasters Cup.

      When you make your award selections remember that 1988 is the year of the Spear.

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      • #18
        Stop voting for CL Grant Lewis. He doesn't deserve top three votes.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Spear View Post
          It was about the team effort in Davenport, as we have no real candidates for any awards....

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          I still say Elliot was the best move you made all season. One of the best moves anyone made all season.
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          • #20
            To those who haven't voted yet...

            I'd ask you again to take a look at the IL New Brew battle between Good and Phillips. Good was, well, good... no doubt... he was on my ballot. But, young Mr. Phillips.... look what he did to keep his team in the Race. Look at his numbers in those crucial last 6 weeks next to Good's. Can you say Rookie Wall?

            Remember... when you're voting IL New Brew.... you could have Good.... or you can have Plenty. Rod Phillips did plenty.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Clay View Post

              Remember... when you're voting IL New Brew.... you could have Good.... or you can have Plenty. Rod Phillips did plenty.
              I should have hired you for the MAP 1987 campaign...

              Not to spoil your fun, but I wanted to mention the two guys that I voted for, outside of Good.

              SP Ignado Sanchez - 3.49 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 162 IP, 136 K, 162 IP, 30.9 VORP
              -I'm always more impressed with a good rookie pitcher than I am a good rookie hitter. He had a terrible record for a terrible team, but the kid played very well. I swear, he had five or six games where he lost due to zero run support. Literally. Had he started for a contender, this guy would win the award walking away.

              MR Bud Phillips - 7-1, 2.25 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 54 K, 64 IP, 18.5 WHIP
              -Dominant out of the pen. "The Other" Phillips, and the rest of the Playboys bullpen, really saved their season.

              I will say that Rod Phillips would probably be a lock to win the award if he had started at catcher on Opening Day. Great season, yes. But like Robbert Abbott last year, too late of a start. I've always been partial to rookies who play the full season and don't just get hot for a few months.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Pat View Post
                I should have hired you for the MAP 1987 campaign...

                Not to spoil your fun, but I wanted to mention the two guys that I voted for, outside of Good.

                SP Ignado Sanchez - 3.49 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 162 IP, 136 K, 162 IP, 30.9 VORP
                -I'm always more impressed with a good rookie pitcher than I am a good rookie hitter. He had a terrible record for a terrible team, but the kid played very well. I swear, he had five or six games where he lost due to zero run support. Literally. Had he started for a contender, this guy would win the award walking away.

                MR Bud Phillips - 7-1, 2.25 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 54 K, 64 IP, 18.5 WHIP
                -Dominant out of the pen. "The Other" Phillips, and the rest of the Playboys bullpen, really saved their season.

                I will say that Rod Phillips would probably be a lock to win the award if he had started at catcher on Opening Day. Great season, yes. But like Robbert Abbott last year, too late of a start. I've always been partial to rookies who play the full season and don't just get hot for a few months.
                While I appreciate your research, your logic is flawed because Sanchez wasn't even the best rookie pitcher in the Stout let alone the IL.

                Show me how Sanchez was better than Jerry Collins in any way other than ERA.

                I'll wait here.

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                • #23
                  I'll post what I wrote earlier.

                  Let the stats lead you. Good is the best in every category.

                  He's the best rookie this year in the IL, hands down.

                  Originally posted by Lintyfresh85 View Post
                  IL Refreshing New Brew

                  2B - Jarred Good - CAL

                  .309/.360/.462/.823 with 8 HR's/70 RBI's, 84 runs, 54 2B's, 67 XBH's.

                  Lead all of IL in 2B's.

                  Lead all rookies in AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS, XBH, Total Bases, Walks, Runs, Hits, 2B's and RBI's.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Clay View Post
                    While I appreciate your research, your logic is flawed because Sanchez wasn't even the best rookie pitcher in the Stout let alone the IL.

                    Show me how Sanchez was better than Jerry Collins in any way other than ERA.

                    I'll wait here.

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                    You're kidding...right?

                    I used the same logic I used when voting for Woodbury over Cab. Park factors. Collins throws in a pitchers park, while Sanchez pitches in a hitters park. It's that simple.

                    Look at their home/road splits.

                    Sanchez - 3.80/3.02
                    Collins - 3.39/4.55

                    Oh, you want more? How about the fact that Sanchez has a better quality start %, better K/9, better BB/9, had almost double the VORP, played for a much worse team, gave up far less HRs despite playing in a heavy home run park vs. one of the least HR parks and Sanchez actually helped his team a lot more. The Colonials had a SP ERA of 3.72, Collins hurt that number. He is actually the worst SP in the rotation right now, statistically. Sanchez on the other hand, and his 3.49, improved on his teams 3.89 team SP ERA. He was statistically the third best SP on the team.

                    Also, like I said before, he had to be one of the most unlucky pitchers in baseball. He has six losses where he gave up 3 ER or less and his team failed to score a run.

                    In all honesty...maybe we should look into invalidating your ballot because it's pretty clear if you do two seconds of research, that Sanchez had a far superior season than Collins.
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                    • #25
                      Pat brought the stats pain!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Carlos View Post
                        I still say Elliot was the best move you made all season. One of the best moves anyone made all season.
                        Thanks. I realized my kids in the system weren't ready yet, so Elliott made sense.

                        Will have to make the same decision this offseason.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Pat View Post
                          You're kidding...right?

                          I used the same logic I used when voting for Woodbury over Cab. Park factors. Collins throws in a pitchers park, while Sanchez pitches in a hitters park. It's that simple.

                          Look at their home/road splits.

                          Sanchez - 3.80/3.02
                          Collins - 3.39/4.55

                          Oh, you want more? How about the fact that Sanchez has a better quality start %, better K/9, better BB/9, had almost double the VORP, played for a much worse team, gave up far less HRs despite playing in a heavy home run park vs. one of the least HR parks and Sanchez actually helped his team a lot more. The Colonials had a SP ERA of 3.72, Collins hurt that number. He is actually the worst SP in the rotation right now, statistically. Sanchez on the other hand, and his 3.49, improved on his teams 3.89 team SP ERA. He was statistically the third best SP on the team.

                          Also, like I said before, he had to be one of the most unlucky pitchers in baseball. He has six losses where he gave up 3 ER or less and his team failed to score a run.

                          In all honesty...maybe we should look into invalidating your ballot because it's pretty clear if you do two seconds of research, that Sanchez had a far superior season than Collins.
                          Based on what? I didn't vote for Collins. I also didn't leave off a qualified candidate and then dig up statistics to justify it.

                          Also, are you actually honestly using the rest of the team's rotation as a justification for and against a player????? Should Carlton be downgraded because of McEvoy????? Ridiculous argument.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Clay View Post
                            Based on what? I didn't vote for Collins. I also didn't leave off a qualified candidate and then dig up statistics to justify it.

                            Also, are you actually honestly using the rest of the team's rotation as a justification for and against a player????? Should Carlton be downgraded because of McEvoy????? Ridiculous argument.
                            It just shows even further about value as well as the park factors. Collins didn't have that great of a season. Put any AAAA type player in the #5 spot for Virginia, and he will give you a .500 record and under a 4.50 ERA.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Pat View Post
                              It just shows even further about value as well as the park factors. Collins didn't have that great of a season. Put any AAAA type player in the #5 spot for Virginia, and he will give you a .500 record and under a 4.50 ERA.
                              So, if Virginia is such a Pitcher's park that Collins is severely downgraded and any AAAA Pitcher (aka Washington Single A Player) would be .500 here, then shouldn't that exponentially upgrade what Rod Phillips did?
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Clay View Post
                                So, if Virginia is such a Pitcher's park that Collins is severely downgraded and any AAAA Pitcher (aka Washington Single A Player) would be .500 here, then shouldn't that exponentially upgrade what Rod Phillips did?
                                It does. I think Phillips had a phenomenal season. He is just victim to not getting the at bats early in the year.
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