2024 Regular Season SIM 14 Complete - Next SIM Tuesday 12/12

[Pat]

I’m scared for Ian James.

[umd]

I’m scared for Ian James.

Of him or is someone plotting his demise?

[Pat]

Of him or is someone plotting his demise?

My bad.

I think he’s going to be really, really good. Great catchers don’t grow on trees anymore like in the past. “Pickles” like “Tornado” are going to be head of their class for 10+ years.

[Z]

I thought Sean Gallion might become one of those guys.

Maybe he still will.

[Guest]

Hoping either Bess sticks in the tier below those guys or Henningar becomes one of those guys, defense permitting.

[funclown]

My bad.

I think he’s going to be really, really good. Great catchers don’t grow on trees anymore like in the past. “Pickles” like “Tornado” are going to be head of their class for 10+ years.

While I think there is a decent crop of catching starting to push thru the farm systems in the league, HE IS GONNA RISE ABOVE THEM ALL. I knew it the second he was drafted. James and Erik 'The Tornado' MacDonough will be the Dave Piekarski & Ray 'Voodoo' Davila of this generation.

[funclown]

Speaking of catchers , is it just my scout or does your scout sometimes "over-hype" them as prospects? Seen a few already as a prospect where my scout beats off about them, only to become these 4-5-4-5-5 guys and eventually become AAAA players or cut.

[Z]

Speaking of catchers , is it just my scout or does your scout sometimes "over-hype" them as prospects? Seen a few already as a prospect where my scout beats off about them, only to become these 4-5-4-5-5 guys and eventually become AAAA players or cut.

I think part of it is the current ratings scale.

It's easy to see a 5/5/5/4/5 guy in your system and optimistically think he's going to be a pretty good hitter, only to realize after a newer scouting report arrives to revise him down that he was probably on the border of being 4/5/4/4/4 the whole time.

The new scale will probably shed a little more light on these guys.

[funclown]

I think part of it is the current ratings scale.

It's easy to see a 5/5/5/4/5 guy in your system and optimistically think he's going to be a pretty good hitter, only to realize after a newer scouting report arrives to revise him down that he was probably on the border of being 4/5/4/4/4 the whole time.

The new scale will probably shed a little more light on these guys.

Not complaining just an observation. Seems CF & C are over valued the most from what I can tell. Starting pitchers perhaps a bit also. What is kind of neat is as you bring your guy up your system and scouting reports start to pile up you tend to get a more dialed down version of what he truly is. Kind of adds some realism IMO.

Lol, how many "Oh he's an ACE for sure" become just #4,#5 or backend starters by the time they reach 26?

[Z]

Not complaining just an observation. Seems CF & C are over valued the most from what I can tell. Starting pitchers perhaps a bit also. What is kind of neat is as you bring your guy up your system and scouting reports start to pile up you tend to get a more dialed down version of what he truly is. Kind of adds some realism IMO.

Lol, how many "Oh he's an ACE for sure" become just #4,#5 or backend starters by the time they reach 26?

We're all trying to figure out what the ratings translate to in OOTP 17. As you said many times, 5/6/5 ratings for pitchers don't mean what they used to.

[Guest]

We're all trying to figure out what the ratings translate to in OOTP 17. As you said many times, 5/6/5 ratings for pitchers don't mean what they used to.

No reason a player like that shouldn't be useful IMO. Really strange what's happened.

[funclown]

We're all trying to figure out what the ratings translate to in OOTP 17. As you said many times, 5/6/5 ratings for pitchers don't mean what they used to.

I think thats more evolution of the game, OOTP 17 was just a somewhat major step. We've had these changes where....

The death of the 5-5-5 pitcher. Went from solid 4/5 to basically AAA cannon fodder. Can anyone remember when you can use a 4-5-5 pitcher as a spot starter????
The death of the two pitch starter. Probably one that needed to end. Kind of took away from the realism IMO.
The minimizing of the 5-6-5/ 5-5-6/ 6-5-5 pitcher. Won't say death since they can still pitch in alot of cases. Just not what they use to be. Scouts use to say as an example "above average player" to "need an out pitch to stick around" The 6-5-5 / 5-6-5 pitchers use to roam our mid rotation.
Possible death of the "3" stamina starter. 4 is very fringe

Feels like you need 7-6-6/ 6-6-7 & 8-6-5 at the top more and more. There are outliers of course, but its not unsual for a 7-6-6 to have bad seasons then before.

I think its good. Also be interesting to see how this new ratings system differentiates these players.

[Z]

I think thats more evolution of the game, OOTP 17 was just a somewhat major step. We've had these changes where....

The death of the 5-5-5 pitcher. Went from solid 4/5 to basically AAA cannon fodder. Can anyone remember when you can use a 4-5-5 pitcher as a spot starter????
The death of the two pitch starter. Probably one that needed to end. Kind of took away from the realism IMO.
The minimizing of the 5-6-5/ 5-5-6/ 6-5-5 pitcher. Won't say death since they can still pitch in alot of cases. Just not what they use to be. Scouts use to say as an example "above average player" to "need an out pitch to stick around" The 6-5-5 / 5-6-5 pitchers use to roam our mid rotation.
Possible death of the "3" stamina starter. 4 is very fringe

Feels like you need 7-6-6/ 6-6-7 & 8-6-5 at the top more and more. There are outliers of course, but its not unsual for a 7-6-6 to have bad seasons then before.

I think its good. Also be interesting to see how this new ratings system differentiates these players.

Shit, I remember in Philly when I had a 5/5/5 pitcher earn three All-Star selections!

I'm hoping that the new ratings scale allows these ratings to make more sense without eliminating too much of the ambiguity and player evaluation work us GMs need to do.

[Pat]

Excited for the new rating scale. Should she some seriously light on a lot of talents.

[funclown]

Excited for the new rating scale. Should she some seriously light on a lot of talents.

I really think its strength will be at the pro-level where so so many of these guys looks close to the same "on paper" but you need to dig deeper or hell rolls the dice sometimes to see if he can fit your team.

Prospects I'm sure will be helpful, but were dealing alot on potential versus actual. We spend more time trying to get them to develop or hope they will more then anything else. Are the "other" ratings changing like fielding , speed, ect? Cuz base runner/ stealing has taken on a who new level of magic I just can't seem to figure out. Fielding has a little wizardy to it as well.