2022 Regular Season SIM 13 Complete - Next SIM Wednesday 7/26

[umd]

Ok I just did a scan of the league from the master copy...someone put $4 in scouting. Apparently I missed most of the conversation but it's good to see people are still gaming the game. Before people get mad at me...what is gaming the game IMO? It's doing something completely unrealistic that takes advantage of the game limitations and changes the competitive balance of the league.

There's no rule against it so it is what it is. However, I think we all know now there's like zero risk to not funding scouting. Before, I don't think that was necessarily the case in previous versions. One (or more) GMs just reached that conclusion first.

There is no point to scouting in the new version(s) with our league settings so we either:

1) Leave it as is and just let people ignore scouting from now on and invest money elsewhere.

2) Put in the time and effort as a league to adjust our settings to better match the new versions of the game.

Either is fine by me at this point. I "wasted" $15m this season to find out for myself but in the end I guess it is money well spent for all of us.

[BradZ]

I don't have a problem with teams running a deficit but it just means the owner is propping them up with cash infusion every year.

No it doesn't. We remove any cash infusions as soon as they happen. Your balance is your balance. You must manage it. That deficit has to be dealt with in some form or fashion.

[Spear]

No it doesn't. We remove any cash infusions as soon as they happen. Your balance is your balance. You must manage it. That deficit has to be dealt with in some form or fashion.

I get that. Sorry, what I was referring to was a hypothetical real world situation.

[umd]

No it doesn't. We remove any cash infusions as soon as they happen. Your balance is your balance. You must manage it. That deficit has to be dealt with in some form or fashion.

Yeah, this is one area we have done well. I ate $9m this season and funclown had his like $50+m debt restored after his owner wiped it out that one time.

[BradZ]

I get that. Sorry, what I was referring to was a hypothetical real world situation.

Wasn't jumping on you, but the financials are one aspect that always seem to have the most confusion surrounding them and a lot of things get said that aren't necessarily spot on that add to that ongoing confusion.

[Spear]

Wasn't jumping on you, but the financials are one aspect that always seem to have the most confusion surrounding them and a lot of things get said that aren't necessarily spot on that add to that ongoing confusion.

I agree with that for sure.

[PaulC]

Wasn't jumping on you, but the financials are one aspect that always seem to have the most confusion surrounding them and a lot of things get said that aren't necessarily spot on that add to that ongoing confusion.

Agreed! And it's usually the dummy in California that says it.

[Hank]

$4 is pretty bush league. We have $1M in scouting and I definitely see a difference now from when I was pouring $10M+ into it during our rebuild. We should set a floor price.

What differences do you see? Better or worse?

I missed the earlier discussion on scouting as well. Maybe I should venture over to get myself better educated on the subject.
If this is a flaw of the program, maybe there are some options to help even things out.
As UMD said, either change the settings so they better reflect our league, or get rid of scouting all together.
I'm always hesitant to ask the commish team to put more work into adjusting options. It's no sweat off my back demanding serious changes to the league settings, but it is for them.
I'd love to hear their thoughts on the subject.

[BradZ]

Agreed! And it's usually the dummy in California that says it.

Just know we've removed any get out of jail free cards. Your balance has to be dealt with at some point.

[Guest]

Ok I just did a scan of the league from the master copy...someone put $4 in scouting. Apparently I missed most of the conversation but it's good to see people are still gaming the game. Before people get mad at me...what is gaming the game IMO? It's doing something completely unrealistic that takes advantage of the game limitations and changes the competitive balance of the league.

If we're just going to keep the current rating system in place for the sake of maintaining status quo, I don't blame people for doing it.

[funclown]

I used this season since I'm rebuilding as a "test"... pull all your money out of scouting. With our rating system and the new (to us and OOTP) ratings/stats engine underneath combined with a huge bump to OSA there's no point paying your scouts at all. I'm slowly realizing our league scouting system and settings don't really work as well anymore.

There is no significant difference in the quality of my scouting with a little more than double the investment. My draft list looked exactly as many other GMs and I know they have next to no money in scouting.

The last two drafts have been the most involved I've ever been so I feel there's something very different from years past going on.

Edit: years past as in like 2-3 versions of the game ago.

I use my scout/ OSA combo. I "think" I'm getting the hang of it, but my scouting is ummm 3 million and I don't think putting a ton of money into it gives you more insight. Perhaps someone should sink all the % into Intl or amateurs and maybe it helps there??

Oh Pawtucket 3-3. Took two from Maine , but lost two to Toronto which makes perfect sense. Maine is alot like Pawtucket right now while Toronto is one of those elite teams that knock us around. (Not insulting your team Z, just how it kind of is at the moment)

We signed another 5 players. I get the feeling my scout has me on some sort of goose chase.

[funclown]

There's no rule against it so it is what it is. However, I think we all know now there's like zero risk to not funding scouting. Before, I don't think that was necessarily the case in previous versions. One (or more) GMs just reached that conclusion first.

There is no point to scouting in the new version(s) with our league settings so we either:

1) Leave it as is and just let people ignore scouting from now on and invest money elsewhere.

2) Put in the time and effort as a league to adjust our settings to better match the new versions of the game.

Either is fine by me at this point. I "wasted" $15m this season to find out for myself but in the end I guess it is money well spent for all of us.

While your at, I think coaches are a waste of time also.

[umd]

While your at, I think coaches are a waste of time also.

They matter for morale and relationships - anything else I can't speak to.

[mike]

Like running a $60 million dollar deficit...

CC: Every collegiate athletic dept in the NCAA sans 10 teams *roll eyes*

Again with these financials. Idk why this is a surprise I do the same shit every few years. I identify a core I want to push, we push it as hard as we can, and then I've built in ways to eliminate that number. I do this every number of years like this isn't new by any stretch. If this was one long deficit, how would I have been able to spend on Danny Garcia? Oh thats right, I cleared the books like I do all the time.

The incessant crying about different things in this league is INSANE. If I'm passionate about something ever, there's a witch hunt. "You're an asshole mike, you're always a problem mike, blah blah" meanwhile every little thing you do to run a team goes under the microscope and you're all of a sudden gaming the system!!! You want to fix these issues? Make every thing equal. Lets get Marxist up in here then. We want to take different strategies out team building heres what we do.

1. Every team has the same available budget. No longer should teams be rewarded for success by an increased budget. Let's say the agreed number is 135. In this instance, there also needs to be a floor. Maybe a number could be an agreed upon 75 % of that number. Teams that "Tank" (which we all know is a disgusting thing that should never be permitted) will not be able to pocket that money and will have to disperse it to other teams via a competitive balance clause. Not possible? Take away draft picks.

Here's another Idea - how about we make GM salaries the same too? Like, some of the complainers about finances are anti the GM change? Thats just stupid.

2. Hard cap. Simple. ex 135 is 135. Period, no more gaming the system!!!!

3. No more trading draft picks. you get 10 picks per draft. You are not allowed to trade picks because sometimes people plan ahead and have more time to spend on the game than others and thats simply not fair. 10 picks, only 10 picks and thats final.

4. International Free Agency Budgets. In the MLB, teams are only allowed to spend X per season on IFL. Now, here we're not spending on 16 year olds, we're spending on players who are mostly ready to be the best player in the game and there's never any busts. This has been complained about so it needs to be fixed. Heres the fix.

30 mil max available to spend per 2 seasons. Idk how the number would work but essentially it breaks down like this:

Seattle spent a combined (idk but for the sake of argument) lets say 28 million between nieto and uloa last season. This offseason, the MAX they can spend on IFA is 2 million. This is a clause that then makes it more likely that the same teams A. Won't be able to sign multiple guys which spreads the IFL talent out, and won't be able to spend big in consecutive years. B. If you exceed the 30m, it gets removed from your future IFL budget. EX. (I gotta have this guy and want to pay 40 m per year,) you can, but you have nothing to spend next year, and only 20 the following.

5. Scouting budgets.

It's built in. Staff budget is X of the new equal balance, the scouting budget is Y and built in. Whether it works or it doesn't, whether you want it or you don't everyone's is the same.

[Guest]

CC: Every collegiate athletic dept in the NCAA sans 10 teams *roll eyes*

Again with these financials. Idk why this is a surprise I do the same shit every few years. I identify a core I want to push, we push it as hard as we can, and then I've built in ways to eliminate that number. I do this every number of years like this isn't new by any stretch. If this was one long deficit, how would I have been able to spend on Danny Garcia? Oh thats right, I cleared the books like I do all the time.

The incessant crying about different things in this league is INSANE. If I'm passionate about something ever, there's a witch hunt. "You're an asshole mike, you're always a problem mike, blah blah" meanwhile every little thing you do to run a team goes under the microscope and you're all of a sudden gaming the system!!! You want to fix these issues? Make every thing equal. Lets get Marxist up in here then. We want to take different strategies out team building heres what we do.

1. Every team has the same available budget. No longer should teams be rewarded for success by an increased budget. Let's say the agreed number is 135. In this instance, there also needs to be a floor. Maybe a number could be an agreed upon 75 % of that number. Teams that "Tank" (which we all know is a disgusting thing that should never be permitted) will not be able to pocket that money and will have to disperse it to other teams via a competitive balance clause. Not possible? Take away draft picks.

Here's another Idea - how about we make GM salaries the same too? Like, some of the complainers about finances are anti the GM change? Thats just stupid.

2. Hard cap. Simple. ex 135 is 135. Period, no more gaming the system!!!!

3. No more trading draft picks. you get 10 picks per draft. You are not allowed to trade picks because sometimes people plan ahead and have more time to spend on the game than others and thats simply not fair. 10 picks, only 10 picks and thats final.

4. International Free Agency Budgets. In the MLB, teams are only allowed to spend X per season on IFL. Now, here we're not spending on 16 year olds, we're spending on players who are mostly ready to be the best player in the game and there's never any busts. This has been complained about so it needs to be fixed. Heres the fix.

30 mil max available to spend per 2 seasons. Idk how the number would work but essentially it breaks down like this:

Seattle spent a combined (idk but for the sake of argument) lets say 28 million between nieto and uloa last season. This offseason, the MAX they can spend on IFA is 2 million. This is a clause that then makes it more likely that the same teams A. Won't be able to sign multiple guys which spreads the IFL talent out, and won't be able to spend big in consecutive years. B. If you exceed the 30m, it gets removed from your future IFL budget. EX. (I gotta have this guy and want to pay 40 m per year,) you can, but you have nothing to spend next year, and only 20 the following.

5. Scouting budgets.

It's built in. Staff budget is X of the new equal balance, the scouting budget is Y and built in. Whether it works or it doesn't, whether you want it or you don't everyone's is the same.

I like "fuck the system" Mike. I can get behind this.

I'm in no way attempting to sound condescending, but it seems like the people most frequently accused of "gaming the system" are the ones who are the most well-versed/interested in baseball.