2021 End of Season Awards

[Carlos]

The issue I don't get with the anti WAR people is that WAR isn't perfect yet they can't point out a stat that is.

It's a bad argument against WAR. People that support WAR are merely suggesting it's a better stat than the numerous used. It's by no means perfect and if you're going to ignore WAR because it's not perfect, why rag on people for ignoring RBI because it's not perfect?

It's like they don't even know they are defending the WAR supporters.

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[mike]

WAR is a great stat to use when your player has more of it, and an easy target to discredit someone when they have more than your player because of its imperfections.

[Cory]

FIP is my go-to for pitchers, but like wRC+ it doesn't take defensive value into account.

I'm a fan of FIP as well. It's not perfect, but when comparing two pitchers on different teams, possibly under different rules like IL vs. DL, it's as good as we have in my opinion.

Delandis, quite hatin'. My boy had a hell of a year and deserves some recognition.

[Guest]

The issue I don't get with the anti WAR people is that WAR isn't perfect yet they can't point out a stat that is.

It's a bad argument against WAR. People that support WAR are merely suggesting it's a better stat than the numerous used. It's by no means perfect and if you're going to ignore WAR because it's not perfect, why rag on people for ignoring RBI because it's not perfect?

It's like they don't even know they are defending the WAR supporters.

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To be honest, wins and RBI don't factor into my votes at all. They're just so circumstantial.

Average is okay, it just doesn't specify what kind of hits that player got and doesn't factor all of the ways a player can get on base. Juan Pierre ruined it for me.

[PaulC]

Agreed on all accounts. I'm just suggesting that a lot of WAR people treat it like the holy grail. Every stat has merit... Even some of the old stats, like RBI that seem to have gone by the way side. The smart owners (MLB and BLB) use a variety of stats to build there teams and evaluate players. The beauty is that its gives every team a different flavour, based on their owner's beliefs.

[PaulC]

WAR is a great stat to use when your player has more of it, and an easy target to discredit someone when they have more than your player because of its imperfections.

Bingo!

[PaulC]

To be honest, wins and RBI don't factor into my votes at all. They're just so circumstantial.

Average is okay, it just doesn't specify what kind of hits that player got and doesn't factor all of the ways a player can get on base. Juan Pierre ruined it for me.

They are circumstantial, but there is a long history of guys that shouldn't hit anywhere but the bottom of the order, or bat much better in low leverage situations. And too be honest, the triple crown, although dated, is pretty damn cool!

[Delandis]

Agreed on all accounts. I'm just suggesting that a lot of WAR people treat it like the holy grail. Every stat has merit... Even some of the old stats, like RBI that seem to have gone by the way side. The smart owners (MLB and BLB) use a variety of stats to build there teams and evaluate players. The beauty is that its gives every team a different flavour, based on their owner's beliefs.

Exactly. I'm absolutely going to have someone who can drive in runs at 3,4 and 5 if possible.

[liquidcrash]

It's starting to look like there might be some repeat winners in the IL.

[BDub]

I'm a fan of FIP as well. It's not perfect, but when comparing two pitchers on different teams, possibly under different rules like IL vs. DL, it's as good as we have in my opinion.

Delandis, quite hatin'. My boy had a hell of a year and deserves some recognition.

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[Guest]

Agreed on all accounts. I'm just suggesting that a lot of WAR people treat it like the holy grail. Every stat has merit... Even some of the old stats, like RBI that seem to have gone by the way side. The smart owners (MLB and BLB) use a variety of stats to build there teams and evaluate players. The beauty is that its gives every team a different flavour, based on their owner's beliefs.

There's no way to draw parallels between WAR and RBI. Tony Batista had 110 RBI in a year during which he was 0.3 wins below replacement. It's incredibly misleading and doesn't tell you anything about his true value.

Another example, Ozzie Smith had a shit ton of RBI one year in the mid 80's solely because Vince Coleman hit ahead of him, he stole over 100 bases, and therefore was in scoring position extremely frequently.

[Z]

There's no way to draw parallels between WAR and RBI. Tony Batista had 110 RBI in a year during which he was 0.3 wins below replacement. It's incredibly misleading and doesn't tell you anything about his true value.

Another example, Ozzie Smith had a shit ton of RBI one year in the mid 80's solely because Vince Coleman hit ahead of him, he stole over 100 bases, and therefore was in scoring position extremely frequently.

runs batted in tells you how many runs a player batted in.

That's it. It doesn't tell you anything else. It's just a record of one thing that happened.

If you try to use that number to infer any conclusions or make any judgments, it's on you, not the stat.

Same with WAR.

[Pat]

I don't know if Paul can hear you guys from the Divisional Round.

[Z]

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I can't read your post, Pat.

The plugin I use to translate the posts made by GMs with the worst record in baseball must be acting up. I'll have to PM Andrew about it.

[Cory]

Love the signature

Thanks. Still needs a bit of work, but I like it so far. This new version of the forum isn't letting me edit my signature unless I'm using the Edge browser, which is only on my one computer. I figure this way I can just update it on the pic hosting site and avoid that issue.