2019 End of Season Awards

[PaulC]

Unfortunately it remains difficult to implement this strategy in OOTP.

I feel hopeful that its frequency in the 2016 MLB Postseason might lead OOTP to add it as an option sooner rather than later.

That would be ideal. You can put your manager on 'sanermetric' but he stills remains more old school. I guess the key is in the sliders... maybe.

[Sharkn20]

If the UDFA Wins the Pale Ale award... Wouldn't be the sweetest history in the BLB History?? He leads the qualified SPs in WHIP and ERA, 2nd in wins with 18, Top 5 in WAR... What a season...

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[Pat]

Who?

[mike]

No no no no. The ninth inning is not the most important inning of a game goodness. Why did Dave Roberts use kenley in the 7th? Why did Maddon use chapman in the 7th? This is insane.

Sp wins don't matter.

"Saves" are not indicative of a great reliever.

Batting average doesn't matter

Lose the short sightedness and expand into 2017.


And pat, shark was talking about

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tom driggs

[funclown]

No no no no. The ninth inning is not the most important inning of a game goodness. Why did Dave Roberts use kenley in the 7th? Why did Maddon use chapman in the 7th? This is insane.

Sp wins don't matter.

"Saves" are not indicative of a great reliever.

Batting average doesn't matter

Lose the short sightedness and expand into 2017.


And pat, shark was talking about

Spoiler

tom driggs

ha ha . not sure if you were being sarcastic, but in Pawtucket our set-up guys are almost more important as our closers. we are almost at the bottom each season for complete games for our starters.

why? two reasons.

1) each pitch in game i believe the ratings take a hit. nothing huge, but each pitch in the 1-250 grand ratings they lose a little each pitch. combine this with stamina by the 5th inning your 7-6-4 pitcher could be a 6-5-3.

2) injuries.

[Spectre]

Little bit of a homer here but surprised Micah Poppino and Alejandro Portillo aren't getting more votes. Poppino led the league in saves (a bit overrated stat) but he IMHO had better peripherals than Rodriguez who is leading.

Also Portillo is getting incredibly overlooked. He struck out 145 guys as a reliever this year! Also kinda meaningless but he also won 13 games.

[BradZ]

Pretty sure Portillo was on my ballot.

[Jake]

Pat loves the close and late situational stats.

[Guest]

That's not true. There are instances in every single game where the highest leverage situation isn't the ninth inning. I can't tell if you're serious or trolling bc I'd expect you to know that

Hence why Francona used Andrew Miller in the 6th or 7th inning during the playoffs when Donaldson-Encarnacion-Bautista were due up/is one of the best managers in baseball.

As someone who's an Orioles fan and watched Buck go to fucking Brian Duensing before the BrittonTron 5000 in the Wild Card game to keep him for a save situation, I absolutely disagree with the premise that the 9th inning is most important. Put your best relievers in the highest leverage situations regardless of inning, especially when you have other reliable relievers.

[liquidcrash]

Unfortunately OOTP doesn't really allow for us to use a reliever in a way that we saw from Andrew Miller. I'm pretty sure OOTP 17 has a "stopper" role that can be used, but I think it requires the league setting to be adjusted so closer usage is low. I also don't know how well it works.

Israel Rodriguez also leads the entire BLB with a 1.51 FIP. I think he's a top candidate no matter what criteria you prefer. The IL is pretty loaded at reliever.

[mike]

Hence why Francona used Andrew Miller in the 6th or 7th inning during the playoffs when Donaldson-Encarnacion-Bautista were due up/is one of the best managers in baseball.

As someone who's an Orioles fan and watched Buck go to fucking Brian Duensing before the BrittonTron 5000 in the Wild Card game to keep him for a save situation, I absolutely disagree with the premise that the 9th inning is most important. Put your best relievers in the highest leverage situations regardless of inning, especially when you have other reliable relievers.

Not a huge buck guy personally.

I noticed you went with dunseing as the goat here....I'll apologize for bringing this name up...but


UBALDO FUCKING JIMENEZ instead of the best reliever since Mo.

Fireable offense

[Guest]

Not a huge buck guy personally.

I noticed you went with dunseing as the goat here....I'll apologize for bringing this name up...but


UBALDO FUCKING JIMENEZ instead of the best reliever since Mo.

Fireable offense

In his defense, Baldy pitched really well post-ASG, but you have an 80% groundball pitcher in your fucking bullpen when any relatively deep fly ball wins the game. I knew Edwin was gonna destroy a ball in that AB.

I'm generally a fan of Buck and I want to see him win a championship here in the worst way, but that shit was indefensible.

There's a reason there have only been a handful of truly dominant relievers for more than a handful of seasons.

I think part of it is also that pretty much all relievers are failed starters and are inherently flawed. You more or less need an all-time great pitch a la Rivera's cutter, Britton's sinker, or Hoffman's changeup.

[PaulC]

The most interesting part of this whole argument is that the percentage of teams winning a game when leading going into the ninth inning has never really changed. It has always hovered around 95%, with or without a closer.

Winning percentage when leading going into the ninth, by decade...

1950s: .948
1960s: .946
1970s: .948
1980s: .951
1990s: .949
2000s: .954
2010s: .952

[Carlos]

The most interesting part of this whole argument is that the percentage of teams winning a game when leading going into the ninth inning has never really changed. It has always hovered around 95%, with or without a closer.

Winning percentage when leading going into the ninth, by decade...

1950s: .948
1960s: .946
1970s: .948
1980s: .951
1990s: .949
2000s: .954
2010s: .952

This statistic is what teams have started to notice and it's why they are putting such a great emphasis on having multiple "9th inning" guys.

Why not try to get the 8th inning to be 95% And why stop there if the 7th can get closer too?

[Delandis]

Unfortunately OOTP doesn't really allow for us to use a reliever in a way that we saw from Andrew Miller. I'm pretty sure OOTP 17 has a "stopper" role that can be used, but I think it requires the league setting to be adjusted so closer usage is low. I also don't know how well it works.

Israel Rodriguez also leads the entire BLB with a 1.51 FIP. I think he's a top candidate no matter what criteria you prefer. The IL is pretty loaded at reliever.

For the record, I wasn't trying to imply that Rodriguez wasn't deserving of a first place vote. My thoughts were in reference to the save stat in general.