2018 Official Draft Discussion Thread

[Hank]

Is it bitching? If it's taken that way it wasn't meant to.

It took me awhile to see the light but I just don't think playoff teams should be able to move up into the top portion of the draft. Other teams have done it. I've done it. Other GMs were trying to do it in this draft.

I just think in a "what's best for the league" approach, teams shouldn't be allowed to trade 1st round picks. I'm probably in the minority but that's what I think.

I'm normally all for wheeling and dealing. It spices up the league and keeps things interesting.
But I wouldn't complain if we didn't allow for the trading of draft picks like MLB does.

[Z]

Johnny Martin was someone I looked at closely, and after all that examination, I still don't know what to make of him.

[Pat]

I'm normally all for wheeling and dealing. It spices up the league and keeps things interesting.
But I wouldn't complain if we didn't allow for the trading of draft picks like MLB does.

I've did discussed this at length before but I just think it makes sense.

I think starting with 1st round picks is more realistic than all of draft trading. Easier to swallow.

[Z]

I've did discussed this at length before but I just think it makes sense.

I think starting with 1st round picks is more realistic than all of draft trading. Easier to swallow.

Why do you favor it?

Because teams rarely get adequate value in return when trading down?

[Hank]

Why do you favor it?

Because teams rarely get adequate value in return when trading down?

I'm new to the league so I may be way off base.
But this is how I look at it.

There are some teams that have been extremely successful and have set themselves up to be a dynasty, or competing team for many many years to come.
They have an abundance of top prospects and current BLB players.

This is due to them being smart, but I'm also sure there was some manipulation of old versions of OOTP as well as taking advantage of some noob GM's. (again, only speculating).

So the cycle begins by some of these teams having the ability to trade off prospects or current BLB stars for high draft picks, where they draft more top prospects, develop them to be stars, or trade them off for more 1st rounders, etc, etc.

I think by removing the ability to trade picks stops this cycle to a degree.
I'm wondering if that's why MLB has it this way as well?
To prevent the Yankee's or Dodgers from always paying the lower-end teams with prospects or money so they are continuously drafting near the top.

IMO, I like the idea of not dealing draft picks just for the strategy of it all.
If you're perpetually near the top of the standings, you better believe in your scout and pour money into development in order to get stars in bottom of the draft.
And if you're always picking in the top 10, you also better be smart about your picks because it could take longer to build a dynasty*.

Just my $.02.

*Someone could argue that by dealing picks for players, it can get bottom feeding teams out of the gutter sooner.
I know it helped me.

[Z]

I'm new to the league so I may be way off base.
But this is how I look at it.

There are some teams that have been extremely successful and have set themselves up to be a dynasty, or competing team for many many years to come.
They have an abundance of top prospects and current BLB players.

This is due to them being smart, but I'm also sure there was some manipulation of old versions of OOTP as well as taking advantage of some noob GM's. (again, only speculating).

So the cycle begins by some of these teams having the ability to trade off prospects or current BLB stars for high draft picks, where they draft more top prospects, develop them to be stars, or trade them off for more 1st rounders, etc, etc.

I think by removing the ability to trade picks stops this cycle to a degree.
I'm wondering if that's why MLB has it this way as well?
To prevent the Yankee's or Dodgers from always paying the lower-end teams with prospects or money so they are continuously drafting near the top.

IMO, I like the idea of not dealing draft picks just for the strategy of it all.
If you're perpetually near the top of the standings, you better believe in your scout and pour money into development in order to get stars in bottom of the draft.

Just my $.02.

I see.

That's not what Pittsburgh, for example, did today though, which prompted this discussion.

He didn't sell prospects or players for picks.

He dealt picks for picks.

[Delandis]

Why do you favor it?

Because teams rarely get adequate value in return when trading down?

I like it because it increases the probability that the best prospects go to the teams that need them. It also helps assign real value to picks. We'd probably see more talent late in the draft. Maybe even add on an extra round or two.

[Z]

I like it because it increases the probability that the best prospects go to the teams that need them. It also helps assign real value to picks. We'd probably see more talent late in the draft. Maybe even add on an extra round or two.

Right. I'm just trying to clarify because I'm wondering, if we thought teams trading down were being compensated more than fairly for doing so, if we'd still be concerned.

If someone wants to start a Rules discussion thread, go for it.

[Sully]

We've moved back into the 1st to select Colin "Ratchet" Day. My scout listed Day and Dail as the top two hitters in the draft. There are some things to cause some worry, mainly age and defensive ability, but we'll be patient with him as he develops.

Being my first year back, I have no idea how much I trust my scout, which was another motivating factor to make the move. He lists Manu and Ratchet as two hitters capable of being amongst the BLBs best in the future. They fail, he gets fired.

[Ryan]

We've moved back into the 1st to select Colin "Ratchet" Day. My scout listed Day and Dail as the top two hitters in the draft. There are some things to cause some worry, mainly age and defensive ability, but we'll be patient with him as he develops.

Being my first year back, I have no idea how much I trust my scout, which was another motivating factor to make the move. He lists Manu and Ratchet as two hitters capable of being amongst the BLBs best in the future. They fail, he gets fired.

I almost took Day instead of Joiner. My scout loves him.

[Cory]

I'd be against it. Part of the fun of this game is seeing all of the different strategies people come up with and trying to come up with something different that gives me an advantage. By limiting strategies you make everybody play more similarly, which makes the game less fun to me. If people are gaining an unfair advantage by trading draft picks it's because they're skilled at coming up with trade packages that help their team out. They'll still have that skill, and will still end up with good teams. The bad traders will just end up giving up their prospects instead of draft picks. What does it matter if I trade my #8 pick or use my #8 pick and then trade away the guy I drafted? Hell, it could even be set up beforehand. Mike could message me to say that if I drafted Player X with my #8 pick he'll trade me X, Y, and Z for him after the draft. (I'm using Mike as an example because his trade prompted this whole discussion.) How would that be any different than me trading him the pick in the first place? Would we put a time limit on it? Say you can't trade a player for X amount of time after you draft him? My first round pick is 17, how long would that time limit have to be in order to make it an effective deterrent? Are we going to say that you can't trade any prospects? What about rookies?

Just seems like we'd be installing a rule that does no good and is impossible to effectively enforce. The example of the Yankees was brought up, and I think it's a good one. Forbidding the trading of draft picks didn't stop the Yankees from dominating the league for decades at a time. Why do we think it would here?

[Cory]

Also, I'm heading out of town for the weekend. I'll be gone before my next pick comes up. I've got enough of a list to get me through at least the 5th round. If my list empties before Monday go ahead and put me on auto. Good luck with your picks everybody.

[BDub]

Hang in there fellas. Working on some things at the moment.

[Hank]

I see.

That's not what Pittsburgh, for example, did today though, which prompted this discussion.

He didn't sell prospects or players for picks.

He dealt picks for picks.

I agree. What Mike did doesn't fall in line with my reasons to prevent trading picks.

I'm okay with either system to be honest. Just providing reasons for why I'd be okay with blocking trading draft picks.

[mike]

Lol at this discussion. Maybe the NFL and NBA shouldnt trade draft picks either! Why don't we baby everyone along and remove variation between the scouts then! Let's make it all equal.


It's so easy to sit on a perch when you have a handful of championships to be the PC police. For some of us, who regularly make the playoffs and have yet to achieve our goal, we're doing things the best way we can to get where we wanna be and if you don't like it then suck on it.

Anyway, welcome to Pittsburgh Joey "Step on a rusty nail" cook