2018 Regular Season Sim 2 Complete - Next Sim Sunday 9/4

[Delandis]

Oh, come on.

There are a number of BLB-caliber starting pitchers in AAA right now.

None of them have opened the season by throwing 35 scoreless innings with zero walks and 29 strikeouts.

Obviously that performance isn't the same as how he would perform in the BLB but to say it means nothing sounds like a huge reach to me.

Against a bunch of rusty AAA batters.

Lol, cmon Z context.

[Z]

Against a bunch of rusty AAA batters.

Lol, cmon Z context.

When you put something in context, it means you adjust it accordingly -- it doesn't mean you automatically throw it out!

[Pat]

I smell a T-Shirt bet.

[Z]

I smell a T-Shirt bet.

Delandis doesn't like it when people completely dismiss the success of left-handed Baltimore hitters because of his ballpark.

He always counters by suggesting that while yes his hitters benefit from his ballpark, they are also still really good and deserve credit for being really good.

All I'm asking is he employs the same logic here.

[umd]

I smell a T-Shirt bet.

While we're "Clay-ing" games I set the price of Zhang at six 1st rounders and a bottle of Jake's bourbon.

[Z]

While we're "Clay-ing" games I set the price of Zhang at six 1st rounders and a bottle of Jake's bourbon.

Wessinmouse would make that deal.

Minus the bourbon.

[Delandis]

2018 Regular Season Sim 2 Complete - Next Sim Sunday 9/4

Delandis doesn't like it when people completely dismiss the success of left-handed Baltimore hitters because of his ballpark.

He always counters by suggesting that while yes his hitters benefit from his ballpark, they are also still really good and deserve credit for being really good.

All I'm asking is he employs the same logic here.

The logic is that great pitching in three minor league games doesn't necessarily equate to $25MM of BLB success.

I'm not sure what is wrong with that stance.

[Z]

The logic is that great pitching in three minor league games doesn't necessarily equate to $25MM of BLB success.

I'm not sure what is wrong with that stance.

There is nothing wrong with the stance that "great pitching in three minor league games doesn't necessarily equate to $25MM of BLB success."

I would agree with that stance!

But that's not what Carlos said and what you agreed with.

What you guys said is that "his stats don't mean anything."

I think that's ridiculous. That's the stance I'm taking issue with.

[umd]

I never really noticed until now, but I really like your uniforms UMD.

All BDub.

[Carlos]

No, I'm saying that looking at three minor league starts as reason why a rebuilding team should sink $25 risky million dollars into the pitcher is not fair.

[Carlos]

In other words,

If I gave Zhang that money to pitch in AAA before I knew what he would actually do, what good would that have for my team this year?

And what if he's a bust? Now I'm having to include a first or more so someone else can take on the risk?

No thank you.

He may end up being great but a team like Death Valley is EXACTLY the team that should and could take that kind of risk.

[Carlos]

Here's my advice to California.

Don't rebuild by trying to go for broke. It'll ruin you if you make the wrong move. A lot of the time, you still won't have everything you need because fan interest takes time, market takes a lot more time.

The former California GM struck gold on a pitcher similar to Zhang and it afforded him success for a couple seasons before he ran into a budget wall and needed to shed salary.

As a GM who has tried to jump a few levels too quickly and seen my team fall flat on its face every time, it's not worth it. You're not building a team to win 95 games for two or three seasons. You're building to win 95 games for much longer.

Sinking your costs into one player when your team is not close or able to stomach the salary hit isn't worth it.

You can look at my winning percentage as a reason to avoid my advice or realize my advice and record is exactly why you should listen to me. I have a lot of experience in doing the wrong thing even when I knew it was wrong.

[umd]

I agree with Carlos. However my response wasn't that he should've signed him, just that he could have signed him if he chose to. My landing him did have something to do with my budget, but it wasn't the only thing and I certainly didn't use it to completely shut out any other team based on what Zhang signed for. He could have paid him but chose not to. That's all.

Matt could have signed him too.

[Z]

In other words,

If I gave Zhang that money to pitch in AAA before I knew what he would actually do, what good would that have for my team this year?

And what if he's a bust? Now I'm having to include a first or more so someone else can take on the risk?

No thank you.

He may end up being great but a team like Death Valley is EXACTLY the team that should and could take that kind of risk.

That's fine. I understand. In fact that's why I didn't sign him either -- I didn't want to take on the risk.

I have no problem with you choosing not to sign him.

What set me off was completely dismissing his outstanding performances so far. If you don't think his work so far supports him being worth $25 million, that's fine -- I'm not sure it does either.

But to say his performances mean literally nothing at all -- I can't get behind that at all.

[Delandis]

There is nothing wrong with the stance that "great pitching in three minor league games doesn't necessarily equate to $25MM of BLB success."

I would agree with that stance!

But that's not what Carlos said and what you agreed with.

What you guys said is that "his stats don't mean anything."

I think that's ridiculous. That's the stance I'm taking issue with.

Maybe I'm missing something but how does his AAA success have any indication of his worth compared to the price UMD paid?

That's only is shown when he's an ace at the BLB level not 3 starts in AAA. Anything less than that kind of performance and he's overpaid.

Right now he's just an extremely well paid minor leaguer in my eyes.