2018 Spring Training 2 SIM Complete - Next SIM OPENING DAY Wednesday 8/31

[Delandis]

That should be good for clubhouse morale.

I know but we can't play favorites. You have to perform at least at a respectable level.

I have no doubt someone will struggle and he'll be back.

[Sharkn20]

I can only lose so many important games. I'm a shell of my former hyper competitive self. Now I ponder the what ifs of completely tanking and trying to possibly win that way. It seems much too hard for me to wait forever for 10 top prospects to all hit at once but it may be the only way. I do stare emptily at the ceiling each night and consider it.

Toronto is doing it since I am here and he still waiting for a play off spot...

I love how Yourself, Clown, Bradz, Mike, Matt, Liquid and Jimmy are fighting in year in year out without tanking. That's the way it should be.

Bring back the V Rule to penalise those teams that are tanking forever please.

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[funclown]

Toronto is doing it since I am here and he still waiting for a play off spot...

I love how Yourself, Clown, Bradz, Mike, Matt, Liquid and Jimmy are fighting in year in year out without tanking. That's the way it should be.

Bring back the V Rule to penalise those teams that are tanking forever please.

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Umm you weren't around in 06-08 I see. We missed the playoffs I think in 04 then went on a selling spree the world had never seen.

Overall we got lucky with decent drafting picks, free agency & finally a nice string of good trades. Lets talk again next decade.

[Z]

Toronto is doing it since I am here and he still waiting for a play off spot...

I love how Yourself, Clown, Bradz, Mike, Matt, Liquid and Jimmy are fighting in year in year out without tanking. That's the way it should be.

Bring back the V Rule to penalise those teams that are tanking forever please.

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You sure that's the full list, friend?

[umd]

Toronto is doing it since I am here and he still waiting for a play off spot...

I love how Yourself, Clown, Bradz, Mike, Matt, Liquid and Jimmy are fighting in year in year out without tanking. That's the way it should be.

Bring back the V Rule to penalise those teams that are tanking forever please.

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Rule 5 penalizes good GMs and winning teams because they bleed talented players while rewarding GMs who draft poorly and sign poorly. GMs with deep rosters based on solid drafting and hunting for quality late round players lose those guys to teams who can't field deep teams on their own merit.

If someone wants to "free" a player who is blocked in an organization they should trade for that player, not be handed them for free because their rosters are weaker. We've debated Rule 5 forever and I'm glad we finally got rid of it.

[Delandis]

Toronto is doing it since I am here and he still waiting for a play off spot...

I love how Yourself, Clown, Bradz, Mike, Matt, Liquid and Jimmy are fighting in year in year out without tanking. That's the way it should be.

Bring back the V Rule to penalise those teams that are tanking forever please.

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As predicted, a lot of good players have died of old age in AAA since we got rid of it.

But it is a losing battle, Shark. We are the minority on this one.

[Sharkn20]

As predicted, a lot of good players have died of old age in AAA since we got rid of it.

But it is a losing battle, Shark. We are the minority on this one.

That's unfair under my point of view but what we can do :)

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[umd]

You sure that's the full list, friend?

funclown built that 4 title team by completely stripping that team to the ground. Matt will readily admit he stopped trying to beat a cheating Clay and completely rebuilt his team from the ground up to two titles after Clay was gone.

Tanking has proven to be a pretty viable blueprint around here.

You won after trading off all Sully's playoff team players. Hank won after a monster rebuild. Squid won off a long rebuild.

It's probably the way to go. Z, Jimmy and Pat are the exceptions to this since Virginia was disbanded.

Completely gutting your team and drafting high for several years with multiple picks is a good OOTP strategy.

[Sharkn20]

Rule 5 penalizes good GMs and winning teams because they bleed talented players while rewarding GMs who draft poorly and sign poorly. GMs with deep rosters based on solid drafting and hunting for quality late round players lose those guys to teams who can't field deep teams on their own merit.

If someone wants to "free" a player who is blocked in an organization they should trade for that player, not handed them for free. We've debated Rule 5 forever and I'm glad we finally got rid of it.

Shall I just tank ten years and make a full team of first round picks then? Then bring them up all together at the same time.

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[fsquid]

Shall I just tank ten years and make a full team of first round picks then? Then bring them up all together at the same time.

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You need multiple firsts. I think I had 7 picks in the first two rounds one year of my tanking.

[Z]

As predicted, a lot of good players have died of old age in AAA since we got rid of it.

But it is a losing battle, Shark. We are the minority on this one.

It is unfortunate.

It's our version of any league's struggle between the players and the owners.

In this case, abolishing the rule V hurt the players and helped management.

In the case of raising player salaries a couple offseasons ago, we helped the players for once.

[liquidcrash]

I didn't mind the rule V draft, when it worked to get players blocked in one organization an opportunity. Unfortunately, it too often ended up with a team losing top prospect or good player simply because they didn't see he was unprotected or they got busy and couldn't export. So, that wasn't realistic either and just led to frustration around here.

Tanking is a viable option. I did it with Carolina around 1990 or so in this league. Unfortunately for me, when my team was getting good again, Clay's juggernaut was still in full swing so it was all hopeless anyway.

[umd]

Shall I just tank ten years and make a full team of first round picks then? Then bring them up all together at the same time.

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Yes. It works, if that's the way you want to run your team then go for it. Toronto, Windy City, Los Alamos, New York and Wilmington are all coming up now on that blueprint. One or more will snag a title within the next 3-5 seasons. Maybe multiple titles.

Denver and California are using it as well. Time will tell how they all battle each other and sort it out, but they're the next generation of long rebuild winners.

Philly and Pawtucket are all in right now. Mike and I have spread out our windows. Batavia, Maine and Baltimore are in between. Z could go either way with his old core of players, but he's a sustained playoff guy. He's not a implode it type of GM... Yet...

Washington could be a complete rebuild. Liquid did it in Carolina.

[funclown]

Completely gutting your team and drafting high for several years with multiple picks is a good OOTP strategy.

Think is is trending also in the real world. I'm here in Chicago and watched it first hand. There are still teams in the MLB with huge markets that can stick it out. Cardinals to me are the lone exception. Just a great organization.

[umd]

Toronto

2018 = 1.1 1.LAD 1.25 2.1 3.1
2017 = 1.3 2.3 2.15 3.3 3.15
2016 = 1.2 2.2 3.2 3.19
2015 = 1.1 1.3
2014 = 1.1 1.10 1.24 2.2 3.1 3.2
2013 = 1.15 2.22 3.14

6 drafts
1st round = 11
2nd round = 6
3rd round = 8

If done right, that's one 25 man roster. Good god.