2016 End of Season Awards

[Jimmy]

Very impressive arguments, sir.

You are biased.

[Delandis]

You are biased.

No arguments there. But for the record, I've always thought Taylor was the second best pitcher of this generation.

[mike]

Why are you comparing months when this is based on the year? I don't care what anyone did in any month as long as they pitched all year. If anything looking at Yahn's Sept/Oct shows just how much more he was dominant over your pitcher over the other 5 months! My only real question is why didn't Taylor start 32 games? Because he was coddled and you were chasing this award for him. I put Yahn out there balls to the wall and didn't worry about his numbers.


Did you really bring out FIP? Why not bring out a stat that measures what a player would do if his GM had put a better defense in front of him.

You want to throw away the WAR? Fine. It's heavily weighted by WINS and we tied there. WHIP...not a chance. It only makes him that much more impressive looking after he pitched 60 innings more than Taylor. All while beating your pitcher in every major category there is.

I love the "look over here" obfuscation game you're playing at but I still haven't even posted the categories that Yahn beats Taylor in and you clearly left out the litany of them. I'll get to them after zombies...if you continue to disbelieve.

Why should Taylor be punished for having a better staff around him? Excuse me for trying to maximize my roster by allowing a pitcher entering his his thirties to pitch on normal rest more often than to "Atlanta Braves" a guy and try to shorten his career by making him throw a redic amount of innings.

And not every major category. That's a false statement. At least try to take a look at the page and not just say generalities.

[PaulC]

Did you just try to help your argument by comparing Yahn to John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, and Tom Glavine? Not sure that is the way to go.

[PaulC]

We could just let the computer sim the awards, but that would take the fun of this thread away.
BTW, this is one of the great things that baseball has over the other major sports... Tons of history and even more data.
There is two sides to every coin.

It also reminds of a great quote...

"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure!"

[BDub]

This seasons awards thread is spicy!

[mike]

Did you just try to help your argument by comparing Yahn to John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, and Tom Glavine? Not sure that is the way to go.

Referencing now the braves young pitchers the last ten years have all suffered injuries

[Jimmy]

Why should Taylor be punished for having a better staff around him? Excuse me for trying to maximize my roster by allowing a pitcher entering his his thirties to pitch on normal rest more often than to "Atlanta Braves" a guy and try to shorten his career by making him throw a redic amount of innings.

And not every major category. That's a false statement. At least try to take a look at the page and not just say generalities.

Of course you maximized your roster. At the tune of -32 million. Great job. Some of us need to stay fiscally sound. I'm not trying to bash here but I'm pretty certain that Yahn would have had more wins if LA had a BP. I couldn't afford one. He also had no pitch count because we had no BP. I'm pretty sure his ERA would've been lower if didn't have to pitch late to get wins. All this adds to 5 no decisions for Taylor to Yahns 8. Not much but based on your logic why should Yahn be punished for all of these things?

The simple fact of the matter is that the numbers are what they are. The result of all this is Yahn beating Taylor in the following categories.

IP, GS, K's, K's per 9, WHIP, Hits per 9, Opponents AVG, OBP, OPS, SLG, BABIP, WAR. That's 12 categories of pitching statistics that Yahn beat Taylor in and some of them weren't even close.

[Jimmy]

No arguments there. But for the record, I've always thought Taylor was the second best pitcher of this generation.

Second to who? No need to answer because I think we know who he is.

[Pat]

No arguments there. But for the record, I've always thought Taylor was the second best pitcher of this generation.

Mejia? Herbz? Fernando? Fudd?

[Jimmy]

Mejia? Herbz? Fernando? Fudd?

I guess it depends on what is considered by this generation. Personally I would take Yahn over all of those guys. Based on his age and Durability I figure he has 4-5 years left at this level so we will see. If I can field a decent OF defense he would be even better. I still remember the day I traded Morris to draft him. All I could think of was Pat Dimmik and Durable.

[mike]

Of course you maximized your roster. At the tune of -32 million. Great job. Some of us need to stay fiscally sound. I'm not trying to bash here but I'm pretty certain that Yahn would have had more wins if LA had a BP. I couldn't afford one. He also had no pitch count because we had no BP. I'm pretty sure his ERA would've been lower if didn't have to pitch late to get wins. All this adds to 5 no decisions for Taylor to Yahns 8. Not much but based on your logic why should Yahn be punished for all of these things?

The simple fact of the matter is that the numbers are what they are. The result of all this is Yahn beating Taylor in the following categories.

IP, GS, K's, K's per 9, WHIP, Hits per 9, Opponents AVG, OBP, OPS, SLG, BABIP, WAR. That's 12 categories of pitching statistics that Yahn beat Taylor in and some of them weren't even close.

Because LA is soooo fiscally responsible. Right because you have so many great contracts dude.

Oh no! You pointed out the fact that I spent 32 million over budget to try to win a championship. You want to make this about long term prognosis now? How about the fact that I basically have nothing committed long term? Or the fact that nobody has more draft picks than I do over the next 5 years, or how about the fact that since I took over I've maintained a top 10 farm system? I've taken a calculated risk to be successful. Sue me. Add to the budget deficit

"Some of us need to stay fiscally sound" - shit man, I listened to a White Sox broadcast today but that takes the cake for the biggest pile of bullshit I've heard today.

[Delandis]

Mejia? Herbz? Fernando? Fudd?

Maybe Mejia but the others are an earlier gen, really. Taylor didn't start until 2004 and Yahn in 2007.

[Sharkn20]

At least there is no question about the best 3 pitchers this year in the DL.

Hard to leave out of the ballot Engstrom and his 240 Ks in just 180+ IPs but you have to put in your ballot Taylor, Yhan and Cinelli... Just room for 3

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[umd]

Maybe Mejia but the others are an earlier gen, really. Taylor didn't start until 2004 and Yahn in 2007.

Mejia was so good. I'd even call him underrated.