2016 End of Season Awards

[BradZ]

I voted him number 1

Same here.

[Z]

He had 2 BS in 50 opportunities and converted nearly 96%. He's the best closer in the IL. Rodriguez didn't have as many saves and only converted 90% with 4 blown. Makes zero sense he got 12 votes so far.

Not everyone uses saves as a primary criteria for the relief award. I don't.

Krause is on my ballot and he only recorded two saves.

(Williams is on my ballot, too.)

[Delandis]

Not everyone uses saves as a primary criteria for the relief award. I don't.

Krause is on my ballot and he only recorded two saves.

(Williams is on my ballot, too.)

I don't use saves. I think it is overrated.

[Z]

I don't use saves. I think it is overrated.

It's meaningful but not specific enough for my taste.

Saving a game with a three-run lead isn't particularly hard or valuable to me. Even a long relief guy could do that 90% of the time.

Coming into a game with a one-run lead — okay, that's really great.

But you can't tell that by looking at the number of saves a guy had. You have to dig more into his other numbers to get the full picture of how good he was.

[Carlos]

Not everyone uses saves as a primary criteria for the relief award. I don't.

Krause is on my ballot and he only recorded two saves.

(Williams is on my ballot, too.)

I always vote at least one middle reliever especially since quite a number of them put up more impressive numbers to me. Krause was one. Pearsall another.

[mike]

Whoever left Yahn out of the top 3 voting is a jerkoff. There is no way he isn't the second best pitcher in the DL.

Fixed. He might be number 1 ranked but he wasn't better than Taylor this year

[Z]

Fixed. He might be number 1 ranked but he wasn't better than Taylor this year

Depends on what you value, I think.

For me, Taylor was a little better when he was on the mound, but Yahn was on the mound quite a bit more, and that matters, too.

Obviously any GM would kill to have either of those guys pitch for him this year.

[Delandis]

It's meaningful but not specific enough for my taste.

Saving a game with a three-run lead isn't particularly hard or valuable to me. Even a long relief guy could do that 90% of the time.

Coming into a game with a one-run lead — okay, that's really great.

But you can't tell that by looking at the number of saves a guy had. You have to dig more into his other numbers to get the full picture of how good he was.

If a guy comes in with bases loaded with you up 2 in the 6th and proceeds to shut down a rally, is that really any less important than a save?

On the other hand, I would've liked Scriber to get a save, lol.

[Z]

If a guy comes in with bases loaded with you up 2 in the 6th and proceeds to shut down a rally, is that really any less important than a save?

On the other hand, I would've liked Scriber to get a save, lol.

Exactly, I agree. That's why I like voting for these middle relievers with 90+ IP and ERAs below 2.

[umd]

Exactly, I agree. That's why I like voting for these middle relievers with 90+ IP and ERAs below 2.

I agree to an extent, but my main gripe is that Rodriguez was not better than Williams.

[Z]

I agree to an extent, but my main gripe is that Rodriguez was not better than Williams.

They threw the same number of innings.

Rodriguez had more strikeouts.

Rodriguez had fewer walks.

Rodriguez allowed fewer home runs.

Rodriguez had a lower WHIP.

Williams had a lower ERA.

Williams allowed fewer hits.

Williams had more saves.

There are measures give Rodriguez an edge. They tend to be the stats I value more highly.

[Delandis]

I ended up voting for Yahn first. He threw so many innings I couldn't look past him.

Sorry Mike and I love Taylor (a younger version of him is still on my avatar), but Yahn's number of innings while keeping that level of dominance can't be over looked.

[Jimmy]

Fixed. He might be number 1 ranked but he wasn't better than Taylor this year

Ok (I rarely do this) but occasionally it just has to be done.

Comparing players is pretty hard to do sometimes because people value certain categories differently. I'm just curious what you see in the numbers comparing the two that makes you think this way. To get an idea of who was the better pitcher you might want to hit the stats tab and take a look for Yahn's name. It's EVERYWHERE. And he's not just there, he's #1.

He pitched more innings than anyone, posted the 2nd highest K total in the HISTORY of the league, led in so many categories I don't even care to post them all, and you think Taylor had a better season because he was better at ERA by .04 and led the league in K/BB's and came in 2ND in BB's per 9?

Dude, I may not be in touch with the pulse of the league at least I'm in touch with reality.

[Pat]

Jimmy's back!

[Z]

To get an idea of who was the better pitcher you might want to hit the stats tab and take a look for Yahn's name. It's EVERYWHERE. And he's not just there, he's #1.

He pitched more innings than anyone, posted the 2nd highest K total in the HISTORY of the league, led in so many categories I don't even care to post them all, and you think Taylor had a better season because he was better at ERA by .04 and led the league in K/BB's and came in 2ND in BB's per 9?

Dude, I may not be in touch with the pulse of the league at least I'm in touch with reality.

I did.

Come on.

Yahn finished in the top five in 14 pitching stats.

Taylor finished in the top five in 11 pitching stats.

You're majorly misrepresenting the gap between those two aces.