2013 Offseason SIM 2 Complete - Next SIM Wed 10/28

[Matt]

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Offseason Schedule

10/28 Wed AM - Free Agency 2 - Dec 16 to Jan 1
10/30 Fri AM - Free Agency 3 - Jan 1 to Jan 16
10/31 Sat AM - Free Agency 4 - Jan 16 to Feb 1
11/01 Sun AM - Free Agency 5 - Feb 1 to March 6 (ST)
11/03 Tues AM - Spring Training 1
11/04 Wed AM - Spring Training 2

[Matt]

The contract negotiating in '15 is going to dramatically change this league. I'm not sure if something can be done but do we try and make more rules or just let it be?

I'm not calling out UMD but I'll use Honea's new contract as an example. 10 years....$37m...with most years falling in the $2-3m range. This guy was 19-3 last year, had a bad year with injuries but still went 8-4 with a 2.77 ERA this season. He is making $7m in Arb...and now will make $2m next year.

If the game lets us do it I don't see how to "fix" it. It just seems crazy though that we are going this way. It's completely unrealistic, will kill FA, make it easy for teams to stockpile talent since it's so cheap, and kill competitive balance.

[umd]

The contract negotiating in '15 is going to dramatically change this league. I'm not sure if something can be done but do we try and make more rules or just let it be?

I'm not calling out UMD but I'll use Honea's new contract as an example. 10 years....$37m...with most years falling in the $2-3m range. This guy was 19-3 last year, had a bad year with injuries but still went 8-4 with a 2.77 ERA this season. He is making $7m in Arb...and now will make $2m next year.

If the game lets us do it I don't see how to "fix" it. It just seems crazy though that we are going this way. It's completely unrealistic, will kill FA, make it easy for teams to stockpile talent since it's so cheap, and kill competitive balance.

I'll be honest here. I was seeing if there was something about putting the high number in the middle and it maybe influencing the rest of the deal. I've seen that staggered structure elsewhere so I put it in with the high number in the middle and the matching team offer at the end with a 10 year deal. Usually they come back with they only want a one year deal at a higher rate and I just wait till next sim. He said it looked good so I submitted it. Everyone would have done the same. I'm open to a solution, though outside gentlemen's agreements which don't work, I have no idea. The scary thing is could I have gone any lower?

I knew I'd get called on it. I'm fine with bringing attention to the matter. I thought about upping it across the board but why penalize myself to be "fair".

[fsquid]

can someone ask Murillo to do that?

[umd]

can someone ask Murillo to do that?

Without testing I would say all post arby deals must start at the lowest arby # a player received.

In his case Honea got $7m just now in arby. Every year after would have to be $7m or more OR average $7m across the life of the deal including (or not?) the TO?

Don't kill me on this suggestion I literally just thought it and typed it in the reply.

[Sharkn20]

Made 5 offers for young players, only 2 went through :(

Managers are getting stiff out there :)

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[Matt]

'15 has shown to be a joke for fair play contract wise. The TJ Dunn contract was a joke. The Honea contract is a joke. How can a game even allow this?

Brad and I do our best to make it a fair league. This is a game changer. Unless something can be done I'm gonna have to think long and hard about sticking around.

[umd]

'15 has shown to be a joke for fair play contract wise. The TJ Dunn contract was a joke. The Honea contract is a joke. How can a game even allow this?

Brad and I do our best to make it a fair league. This is a game changer. Unless something can be done I'm gonna have to think long and hard about sticking around.

I say rescind it. Let's come up with a rule.

[Spear]

'15 has shown to be a joke for fair play contract wise. The TJ Dunn contract was a joke. The Honea contract is a joke. How can a game even allow this?

Brad and I do our best to make it a fair league. This is a game changer.

Agreed.

[Matt]

I say rescind it. Let's come up with a rule.

Rescinding is fine but won't stop the issue. FA seems to be fine. Extensions are broke. Dunn showed it can be for established vets. Honea showed it can be for Arby players. We can't have rules that cover everything. I can't even think how to fix it. 3 year max extensions? All years have to be the same?

I'm not so sure if it's the game or if the BLB is broke. I have to do some testing and just don't have time.

[funclown]

I'll be honest here. I was seeing if there was something about putting the high number in the middle and it maybe influencing the rest of the deal. I've seen that staggered structure elsewhere so I put it in with the high number in the middle and the matching team offer at the end with a 10 year deal. Usually they come back with they only want a one year deal at a higher rate and I just wait till next sim. He said it looked good so I submitted it. Everyone would have done the same. I'm open to a solution, though outside gentlemen's agreements which don't work, I have no idea. The scary thing is could I have gone any lower?

I knew I'd get called on it. I'm fine with bringing attention to the matter. I thought about upping it across the board but why penalize myself to be "fair".

So what is "fair" I guess??? I did the same UMD. Dunn, Dave P, Talley , ect. I easily call myself out on this. The thing was, it wasn't a huge effort and I did least try to bring this up a few times in post. For pending free agents usually all you have to do is sit back and wait for an email from the player and its very easy.(I think winning actually makes them even easier to deal with)

Matt is right, OOTP15 is a complete game changer. This will be impossible to police unless we assume OOTP 16 more back to normal and move to this at the end of the 2014 season.

Funny thing is..... there is such a simple way a programmer can fix this.

1) Loyalty/ Greed character to allow for more guys to test free agency or have crazy demands. Least if you see a team friendly contract you can least say "Oh he's really loyal" and get it. (Aka Tom Brady)

2) Close the redownload loophole. I swear the earlier versions were like this. You don't "ask for a response" you take that way, then must EXPORT in order for him to respond. You wait for an email on your next sim and see if he A) Liked it B) Wants it tweaked C) Tells you to fuck off. Either way his negotating moral would be stamped each sim and eventually the more desperate you get the more you might be willing to give him what he wants.
Happened to Pawtucket for Aurillo.

Now finally and for some reason feel the need to defend myself. We would of won the Brewmaster Cup no matter what last season. Also probably would of been able to keep a core for this season. That being said, yeah with the removal of rule V players and now this baffling easy player extension signings it does make it easier to stockpile talent, rich get richer, ect.

There, about as honest as I can make it.

PS- UMD, why 10 years???? Lol, what is it with you locking guys up forever? Just curious.

[funclown]

We can't have rules that cover everything. I can't even think how to fix it. 3 year max extensions? All years have to be the same?

I'm not so sure if it's the game or if the BLB is broke. I have to do some testing and just don't have time.

Some guys are HELL BENT on more then 3 years. I've had to do 4-5 years which I hate due to some being pricks about this.

Read post above this. Really think we may have to look at OOTP16 if we feel its better at handling this.

[umd]

So what is "fair" I guess??? I did the same UMD. Dunn, Dave P, Talley , ect. I easily call myself out on this. The thing was, it wasn't a huge effort and I did least try to bring this up a few times in post. For pending free agents usually all you have to do is sit back and wait for an email from the player and its very easy.(I think winning actually makes them even easier to deal with)

Matt is right, OOTP15 is a complete game changer. This will be impossible to police unless we assume OOTP 16 more back to normal and move to this at the end of the 2014 season.

Funny thing is..... there is such a simple way a programmer can fix this.

1) Loyalty/ Greed character to allow for more guys to test free agency or have crazy demands. Least if you see a team friendly contract you can least say "Oh he's really loyal" and get it. (Aka Tom Brady)

2) Close the redownload loophole. I swear the earlier versions were like this. You don't "ask for a response" you take that way, then must EXPORT in order for him to respond. You wait for an email on your next sim and see if he A) Liked it B) Wants it tweaked C) Tells you to fuck off. Either way his negotating moral would be stamped each sim and eventually the more desperate you get the more you might be willing to give him what he wants.
Happened to Pawtucket for Aurillo.

Now finally and for some reason feel the need to defend myself. We would of won the Brewmaster Cup no matter what last season. Also probably would of been able to keep a core for this season. That being said, yeah with the removal of rule V players and now this baffling easy player extension signings it does make it easier to stockpile talent, rich get richer, ect.

There, about as honest as I can make it.

PS- UMD, why 10 years???? Lol, what is it with you locking guys up forever? Just curious.

I decided to play aroundwith it. See what would happen. That's what happened. I say we just put in some kind of minimum rule or switch versions.

Anytime I would try and extend more than 5 or 6 years they would always just counter with one year. This is the first time that didn't happen.

[Delandis]

That being said, yeah with the removal of rule V players

Oh, now you wanna hop on that train??!!!!

[Carlos]

I have been using OOTP 16 in a league for a couple seasons.

It isn't any better. Trust me.

There's a magical window during the off-season when demands seem to be lower.