2009 End of Season Awards

[Z]

I still think Ethan Bafford was noticeably more valuable than both of them.

[Matt]

I voted Woodbury, Chavez, Maeda.

#thingsclaywoulddo

(ok I'm done)

[Pat]

I still think Ethan Bafford was noticeably more valuable than both of them.

Rookie bias.

It's why Juan Gon beat A-Rod for the MVP back in 1996.

[funclown]

I still think Ethan Bafford was noticeably more valuable than both of them.

Have to agree with you on this.

[Carlos]

Rookie bias.

Was going to say the rookie has to earn his keep.

[Pat]

While Dunn led his team in RBI and had 63 more than McPherson, also realize that McPherson played on a team with a bunch of guys taking away his future RBI opportunities by knocking players in before him. The #2 hitter on the team drove in 86 RBI on his own. The leadoff hitter drove in 70. And that's not including the 77 from the #8 hitter and 61 RBI from the ninth hitter in the lineup.

While this is very true, you have to also consider his % of the teams RBIs. Denver scored 926 runs, best in baseball. Toronto scored 805, 4th best in baseball. So Dunn knocked in 19.5% of his teams runs. McPherson knocked in 10%. The leadoff hitters and #2 hole guys for Denver combined for roughly a .410 OBP. The leadoff hitters and #2 hole guys for Toronto combined for roughly .310 OBP.

It's not a travesty or an outrage, I just think all things consider, Dunn was the more deserving player.

[Carlos]

While this is very true, you have to also consider his % of the teams RBIs. Denver scored 926 runs, best in baseball. Toronto scored 805, 4th best in baseball. So Dunn knocked in 19.5% of his teams runs. McPherson knocked in 10%. The leadoff hitters and #2 hole guys for Denver combined for roughly a .410 OBP. The leadoff hitters and #2 hole guys for Toronto combined for roughly .310 OBP.

It's not a travesty or an outrage, I just think all things consider, Dunn was the more deserving player.

The only solution is to trade away everyone on my team but McPherson.

[Delandis]

2009 End of Season Awards

Seriously. Let's see what other players played significantly better at home.

McPherson, Davila, Rosema, Guiterrez, Dunn.....

Should I continue? The idea Baltimore is the ONLY place that players get a boost from playing at home is preposterous.

So let me get this straight. You are willing to give the DL MVP to Dunn who also plays DH/1B and who hit .253 on the road while hitting .318 at home but you are going to penalize Chiba for ONLY hitting .329 on the road?

[Pat]

So let me get this straight. You are willing to give the DL MVP to Dunn who also plays DH/1B and who hit .253 on the road while hitting .318 at home but you are going to penalize Chiba for ONLY hitting .329 on the road?

Dunn hit .305 on the road and .291 at home.

[Delandis]

.980 OPS at home vs. .869 OPS on the road.

[Pat]

.980 OPS at home vs. .869 OPS on the road.

That argument doesn't make any sense because the other candidate receives the same benefit. Yes, but McPherson also gets the home-field boost.

.370 home, .328 road
1.077 home, .956 road

The difference here is that in the IL there is worthy candidate (Dave Nelson) who plays in a pitchers park.

[Delandis]

So using your logic, Nelson should have hit significantly better on the road. He didn't. Why not?

[Pat]

So using your logic, Nelson should have hit significantly better on the road. He didn't. Why not?

Wrong and irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

The game is based on dice rolls. It's all math. It takes into count multiple factors. The batters ratings. The pitchers ratings. The parks ratings. The defensive players ratings. Nelson didn't hit better on the road because of all these factors and the randomness of the dice rolls.

Chiba is a "7" on contact. When he plays in Baltimore, that essentially becomes an "8". When he plays in a park that is negative to lefties, his contact essentially becomes a "6". Is it possible, that he can have a season where he hits better on the road than at home, sure. But the odds are against it.

If everything in this game was 100% predictable it wouldn't be fun. #thingsclaywoulddo

[Delandis]

Your point (as I see it) is that Nelson is more deserving than Chiba because he plays in a pitchers park. I don't have an issue with anyone voting for Nelson because he's a better defender playing a much more difficult position and doing it at an elite level. But to say Chiba doesn't deserve it because he plays in a hitters' park despite the fact that he's still one the best hitters in the BLB away from home is where we have a disconnect.

[Pat]

Your point (as I see it) is that Nelson is more deserving than Chiba because he plays in a pitchers park. I don't have an issue with anyone voting for Nelson because he's a better defender playing a much more difficult position and doing it at an elite level. But to say Chiba doesn't deserve it because he plays in a hitters' park despite the fact that he's still one the best hitters in the BLB away from home is where we have a disconnect.

No, wrong again. That is not my point. This is my first post today on Nelson:

"I also had Dave Nelson winning the award in the IL. Terumota Chiba had the better year with the bat trumping him in average, OBP and OPS+. However, Nelson had more doubles, triples, homeruns and 34 more RBIs. Nelson is also a superb defender at SS while Chiba is one of the worst defensive 1B in baseball. And in the argument above, Nelson had a monster year in a pitchers park (.950 AVG, .955 HR) without a lot of help in the lineup. Chiba had a great year, but he did so in a hitters park (1.170 AVG, 1.190 HR for lefties) and in a lineup filled with talent."