2009 Draft Discussion

[Spear]

What about reinstating draft pick compensation? Might give the free agent market a shot in the arm.

[funclown]

I think if trading picks was removed (and I doubt it ever wins a vote), it would force more teams to relinquish more top prospects for a game changer player.

It would make drafting well even more important so you can have enough talent to move for established talent.

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People hate relinquishing prospects for the most parts. It's just human nature of the BLB. It's always "hope" outweighs actual.(Even if 33% tend to bomb) Based on our weights the Cubs lethal farm system would be far less lethal. (They traded mid tier starters for some dam good prospects) Taking away draft picks won't change this.

Also, not sure people will trade away prospects in place of draft picks for salary cutting purposes so there goes those trades.

If anything 1st round draft picks have really increased in value where 2nd round picks take a hit and 3rd rounders basically became grouped together with 4th and 5th rounders. (OSA ratings plus stats).

Might wanna consider reducing the rounds though.

[funclown]

So Marcus moved the goalposts towards realism and everyone freaks the hell out. Looks like the draft is less like a basketball draft and more like the crapshoot that baseball is.

A little strange thing is why not ease the pitchers POT down also? Why just hitters?

I noticed in this version is sort of the death of the 5-5-5 pitcher. Not so much you never see one, but how ineffective they are. Use to see solid mid rotation pitching if I guy is having a career season. Then you had some career upper 3 era guys where you just had to believe in the stats. Hell A 5-5-5 was my one and only Pale Ale winner (Aparicio)

I guess I just miss them.

[Delandis]

People hate relinquishing prospects for the most parts. It's just human nature of the BLB. It's always "hope" outweighs actual.(Even if 33% tend to bomb) Based on our weights the Cubs lethal farm system would be far less lethal. (They traded mid tier starters for some dam good prospects) Taking away draft picks won't change this.

Also, not sure people will trade away prospects in place of draft picks for salary cutting purposes so there goes those trades.

If anything 1st round draft picks have really increased in value where 2nd round picks take a hit and 3rd rounders basically became grouped together with 4th and 5th rounders. (OSA ratings plus stats).

Might wanna consider reducing the rounds though.

Another thing that seems to be gone is the glut of shutdown relief pitchers. Used to be that every team had at least 3-4. Not so much. I'm thinking that without these guys, a lot of these "new" batters will have an easier time doing well.

[funclown]

Another thing that seems to be gone is the glutton of shutdown relief pitchers. Used to be that every team had at least 3-4. Not so much. I'm thinking that without these guys, a lot of these "new" batters will have an easier time doing well.

Remember it was said more starters would not develop and become relief pitchers. On this subject it's probably good. How many guys did your scouts verbage "Need a shutdown closer then look no further". Lol then the game bell curved for league adjustment and he'd be lucky to keep a sub 4.00 era.

[Delandis]

Remember it was said more starters would not develop and become relief pitchers. On this subject it's probably good. How many guys did your scouts verbage "Need a shutdown closer then look no further". Lol then the game bell curved for league adjustment and he'd be lucky to keep a sub 4.00 era.

See Alex Rovira for clarification on this point.

[Matt]

Another thing that seems to be gone is the glut of shutdown relief pitchers. Used to be that every team had at least 3-4. Not so much. I'm thinking that without these guys, a lot of these "new" batters will have an easier time doing well.

This was a big topic in that post from the OOTP forums. No longer 8-7-7 MR's being found in the 2nd and 3rd round. Most were happy.

[Carlos]

This was a big topic in that post from the OOTP forums. No longer 8-7-7 MR's being found in the 2nd and 3rd round. Most were happy.

Yeah that's how it should be.

We just need to adjust to the changes.

I remember when third round picks started losing value here. Looks like second round picks mean less now and soon enough, teams are going to want to send players to bad teams only so they get a high first round pick.

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[Delandis]

Yeah that's how it should be.

We just need to adjust to the changes.

I remember when third round picks started losing value here. Looks like second round picks mean less now and soon enough, teams are going to want to send players to bad teams only so they get a high first round pick.

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Yea its been going on a for a while now and we tried to compensate with the removal of comp picks (which I would be against reinstatement of, sorry Spear). We are just finally bottoming out right now and will likely see a little more as the overinflated OOTP 13 players move on.

But like I said in an earlier thread, I'm already seeing quite a bit of development from mid-round batting prospects. Personally, I'm in the camp of wanting to find more "gems" rather than expecting more "busts." It should be interesting to see how we adjust around here.

[Jake]

That all makes sense, and I support stats evening out with the pros.

And yes, eventually I expect that these 4 contact, 6 power, 3 eye guys will be regulars.

I do hate that in the meantime, vets will hold more value than draft picks, but eventually that will even out as well.

My major issue is that I'm seeing guys in the 10th round rated 45334, etc, which is exactly what I'm seeing guys rated that are going in the early second. The main difference is my scouts in game draft list (not OSA, not stats which are similar as well). They both suck in ratings and description. I feel that if the second rounders are going to be nerfed, why aren't the 10th rounders?

[Carlos]

That all makes sense, and I support stats evening out with the pros.

And yes, eventually I expect that these 4 contact, 6 power, 3 eye guys will be regulars.

I do hate that in the meantime, vets will hold more value than draft picks, but eventually that will even out as well.

My major issue is that I'm seeing guys in the 10th round rated 45334, etc, which is exactly what I'm seeing guys rated that are going in the early second. The main difference is my scouts in game draft list (not OSA, not stats which are similar as well). They both suck in ratings and description. I feel that if the second rounders are going to be nerfed, why aren't the 10th rounders?

Are you putting a good amount of money in scouting?

I ask because OSA disagrees but my scout (who I give a lot of money to scout amateurs) does agree with you.

And my thinking is, more guys are closer in talent in later rounds than OSA will have you believe. But, the guys that were NOT drafted are awful according to my scout.

OSA tells me some undrafted hitters are better than some guys that were drafted.

[Pat]

I definitely feel the changes to the draft make it more realistic, but it's a big change from what we are used to.

[Matt]

That is one complaint. 3rd is equal to 5th which is equal to 10th. How do I choose? I guess the counter is the MLB draft is such a crapshoot and we've been spoiled with can't miss selections in previous versions.

Might be a good time to implement a Rookie league. I can cap the max age limit to 21 in-game and it will give us more of a shot to find more gems.

[funclown]

I definitely feel the changes to the draft make it more realistic, but it's a big change from what we are used to.

I guess I just need to see how it goes. I always felt you get out of the draft what you put into it. Obviously any knucklehead can draft in the top 5, but its generally rounds 2 & 3 where the research and spending hours on end looking at players comes in.

I rate myself a C at drafting. F the first run, but a high B the second time around and we nailed some picks that we were proud of in the late 90's:

Tom Hau- 2nd round
Marco Luna- 2nd round
Jon Montalbo- 3rd round
Todd Robbideau- 3rd round

Plenty of misses also (Ed Kissinburg 2nd round), but since we didn't have many first rounders to work with we had to work hard in the other rounds.

Remember we don't have scouts traveling the country looking at certain players nor do we have 40 rounds to waste away. Also, I'm pretty sure in the real MLB if you had a mid first round pick and your scout's view was "Very little potential" you might end up firing him.

Since its only 10 rounds always had the NFL thought in my head not Basketball

1st round - Must hit! Your core comes from there
2nd - 3rd round- Your hard work/ research rounds. If you can nail 50% and an occasional star (Lona would be one) your doing good.
4th- 5th rounds- Gut instinct rounds. Look for something thats stands out then hope for a dice roll

6+- Lottery time

Now its:

1st round TOP 12- Must hit
1st round 13-24- Work hard, hope he plays someday
2nd round- Gut instinct round.

3+ Lottery time



I guess we will see. If anything least I get to spend less time come draft day.

[Delandis]

How long have we been on 14? (In game seasons)