DEAD BALL ERA???

[Carlos]

Thats all fine and dandy, but I see no real run drop thru any of the 80's. Heck looks like runs were a plenty thru most of the 80's????

We are saying the same thing.


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[Clay]

At risk of this becoming my new catchphrase, it also may have something to do with 6-7 teams in each league constantly in rebuilding mode. You trade your talent. You slow cook your prospects. You basically don't put your best possible 25 man roster at the BLB level. That's going to impact run production.

[funclown]

At risk of this becoming my new catchphrase, it also may have something to do with 6-7 teams in each league constantly in rebuilding mode. You trade your talent. You slow cook your prospects. You basically don't put your best possible 25 man roster at the BLB level. That's going to impact run production.

So your saying its Jistics fault?

[Jistic]

At risk of this becoming my new catchphrase, it also may have something to do with 6-7 teams in each league constantly in rebuilding mode. You trade your talent. You slow cook your prospects. You basically don't put your best possible 25 man roster at the BLB level. That's going to impact run production.

That doesn't make sense to me. If every team is trying to put their best possible 25 man roster on the field, aren't they all drawing from the same pool of talent?

If these are league totals it shouldn't matter what team is doing what. Even if all the best players on on one team the league numbers should be about the same.

And wouldn't slow cooking pitching talent also impact run production?

[Clay]

That doesn't make sense to me. If every team is trying to put their best possible 25 man roster on the field, aren't they all drawing from the same pool of talent?

If these are league totals it shouldn't matter what team is doing what. Even if all the best players on on one team the league numbers should be about the same.

And wouldn't slow cooking pitching talent also impact run production?

I don't think 2/3 of the team most years put their best 25 on the field. I think there are 23-24 year olds that sit at AAA while teams who are tanking (or at least slow cooking) play washed up AAAA guys. That's going to impact run production.

I also think, speaking to your question, that pitching develops faster in the minors than hitting. You can only slow cook a guy who is ready for so long before he gets pissed and starts to regress. Therefore, you're more likely to get the good 23-24 year old pitching prospects up (by forced hand), but the hitters (referenced above) still sit in the crockpot.

[Jistic]

But hypothetically. Team A sends say 2-3 top prospects to team B for some players that are studs now. Team A is stronger, but isn't team B weaker? Don't both contribute equally to the overall league stats?

In looking at the drafts the past 10 years I know I had to pass on many SP's that were better than the hitters i took only because there is so few quality hitters coming out in the draft. Having 10 aces won't matter if you can't hit at all. I just think this is the games doing by not generating any stud hitters...or very few.

[Clay]

But hypothetically. Team A sends say 2-3 top prospects to team B for some players that are studs now. Team A is stronger, but isn't team B weaker? Don't both contribute equally to the overall league stats?

In looking at the drafts the past 10 years I know I had to pass on many SP's that were better than the hitters i took only because there is so few quality hitters coming out in the draft. Having 10 aces won't matter if you can't hit at all. I just think this is the games doing by not generating any stud hitters...or very few.

I'm not talking about trading.

I'm talking about teams keep their own prospects back.

If Team A doesn't like how the season is going 50 games in, often times they'll make the choice (which I don't begrudge) to keep their prospects at AAA - even if they are ready to come up. It keeps their wins down (draft position) and doesn't burn an option. Makes perfect sense. However, that makes teams like Team A considerably worse than they should be in a reality where you might bring players up for the fans, bottomline, etc.

Now, I understand the idea that if Team A sucks, Team B that they are playing should score at will against them and thus water finds it's level in the final offensive numbers. However, when 6-7 teams in each league is going by that strategy, those teams have to play each other with two rosters of AAA players. I think that produces an unrealistic gap in offense between the top teams and the bottom teams with a much higher number of teams floating on the bottom.

If you look at both leagues, there is like a mendoza line every season where about 4-6 teams down, the R/G drops at least a full half run.

I guess what I'm saying... is it causes no middle class.

[funclown]

So in today's BLB we are basically saying people tend to cook they're players longer then in the past when players were rushed up a bit faster.

Some evidence supports this based on Victor & Hector Gonzalez being already in they're 6th/7th seasons by the time I took over Pawtucket mid 89 and both werent even in they're primes yet (Victor was 19 his first season)

I still personally think the feeders are producing more Ace like/above average pitchers then back in the day. Judging by talking to teams in the trade market, pitching propsects value has begun to tank. Also..... we've been lacking of eye hitters in the draft which affects the league OBP.

I know verbage is nonsense, but 5-6 seasons ago ud see a pitcher with the verbage "could be back of the end starter someday but to get there he will have to work hard" 100% be a top 100 prospct. Today alot of times the rarely glance it.

[Carlos]

Are there any legit hitting prospects sitting in AAA right now that would change a team's offense?

Just curious because I don't have any. I've been scrapping promoting/demoting just to find a guy who might surprise me.

I'm mostly lucky that LA gave up on Travis. He's been great for me in two weeks since I claimed him.

I know you're not specifically talking about me but I am one of the rebuilding teams so I'm just saying I don't really have those options.


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[Jistic]

So in today's BLB we are basically saying people tend to cook they're players longer then in the past when players were rushed up a bit faster.

Some evidence supports this based on Victor & Hector Gonzalez being already in they're 6th/7th seasons by the time I took over Pawtucket mid 89 and both werent even in they're primes yet (Victor was 19 his first season)

I still personally think the feeders are producing more Ace like/above average pitchers then back in the day. Judging by talking to teams in the trade market, pitching propsects value has begun to tank. Also..... we've been lacking of eye hitters in the draft which affects the league OBP.

I know verbage is nonsense, but 5-6 seasons ago ud see a pitcher with the verbage "could be back of the end starter someday but to get there he will have to work hard" 100% be a top 100 prospct. Today alot of times the rarely glance it.

Back in the "old days" before feeder leagues everybody drafted was an "INTL" player. Like now they do develop faster. Their starting ratings are always higher it seems than the feeder teams.

[funclown]

Back in the "old days" before feeder leagues everybody drafted was an "INTL" player. Like now they do develop faster. Their starting ratings are always higher it seems than the feeder teams.

Lol, dont make me put "the graph" on this!!!!!

[funclown]

Are there any legit hitting prospects sitting in AAA right now that would change a team's offense?

Just curious because I don't have any. I've been scrapping promoting/demoting just to find a guy who might surprise me.

I'm mostly lucky that LA gave up on Travis. He's been great for me in two weeks since I claimed him.

I know you're not specifically talking about me but I am one of the rebuilding teams so I'm just saying I don't really have those options.


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[Carlos]

Lynn AAA
1B Jon Montalbo (AAA)-24 .899 OPS/ 15hrs
RF Bobby Lopez (AAA)-25 .922 OPS/ 15hrs

Get them now while you still can!!!!

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You're not rebuilding, clown.


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[Jistic]

Pretty much every trade block is looking for "young talent" Just sayin'.

[Jake]

Pretty much every trade block is looking for "young talent" Just sayin'.

Hi, I'd like to move these guys in the last year of their contract and their early to mid 30's.

In return I'd like a couple guys in their mid to high 30's with low work ethic who are on a 1 year deal and ask for 18m every offseason.

PM me.