SIM COMPLETE - 99-00 - OFF-SEASON 1

[Clay]

Clay, are the "team options" still up in the air or has that happened already? I keep forgetting when that happens.

They happened today.

[Z]

Nothing is concrete yet because arbitration hasn't happened. So, the Owner is basically in control right now. After arbitration, it should clear up some.

Yeah, I know they're both going to change a little. But it's a different of like $10M so far, so I'm just trying to get an idea if I have closer to the higher number or the lower number.

[Carlos]

They happened today.

The League should take the next two steps:

1. Stop this guy Carlos from giving away young talent/picks for veterans.
2. Stop responding to the clown.

[Clay]

Yeah, I know they're both going to change a little. But it's a different of like $10M so far, so I'm just trying to get an idea if I have closer to the higher number or the lower number.

Your budget (from what I can see) appears to have been set by your Owner at $120,520,000

Including ARB estimates, estimated payroll for 2000 is 93,100,000

Your personnel expense is 10,250,000

That should mean about $17,000,000 available under budget.

Then there is development and scouting.

[funclown]

Yeah, I know they're both going to change a little. But it's a different of like $10M so far, so I'm just trying to get an idea if I have closer to the higher number or the lower number.

Well your 2000 payroll right now is estimated at 93 mil??? That assumes ur arbitration numbers come in as estimated and assuming you take on any option years on players.

Also your development budget last season was 10 mil so it will assume it will be the same. So now that takes your overall expenses in 2000 up to 103 million. How much do you pay your coaches???? What about how much money shelled out for scouting??? Need to factor those also.

So summary = a lot of assumptions right now. Just judging by your "overview" the estimate I have is 11+ million. Still a lot to be decided. The more stable your roster is (void of arbitration/ option years) the easier is to figure out.

[Jimmy]

I feel like one owner tried this years and years ago (in-game) and failed miserably at it.

That doesn't make sense. The numbers are still there as well as OSA. You are about to watch someone do it for an entire season.

[funclown]

Your personnel expense is 10,250,000
That should mean about $17,000,000 available under budget.

Then there is development and scouting.

Maybe I'm wrong, but thats how much he pays for his coaching staff (and scout dude)

Next you need to subtract development . In his case 10 mil. The missing factor is scouting cuz the silly game hides it now. With that:

10ml - Development
3.5 best guess for scouting

3.4 Available.

then add 8 mil for cash

11.5 total budget for the offseason.

[BradZ]

That doesn't make sense. The numbers are still there as well as OSA. You are about to watch someone do it for an entire season.

Well, there's this:

8. COACHES and SCOUTS
Personnel signings take place in the game.
Teams should employ the following Personnel:
Major Leagues: Manager, Bench Coach, Hitting Coach, Pitching Coach, Scouting Director, Team Doctor
Minor Leagues (for each level): Manager, Hitting Coach, Pitching Coach

[Clay]

Maybe I'm wrong, but thats how much he pays for his coaching staff (and scout dude)

Next you need to subtract development . In his case 10 mil. The missing factor is scouting cuz the silly game hides it now. With that:

10ml - Development
3.5 best guess for scouting

3.4 Available.

then add 8 mil for cash

11.5 total budget for the offseason.

Personnel counts against your budget in our universe.

[Clay]

Well, there's this:

8. COACHES and SCOUTS
Personnel signings take place in the game.
Teams should employ the following Personnel:
Major Leagues: Manager, Bench Coach, Hitting Coach, Pitching Coach, Scouting Director, Team Doctor
Minor Leagues (for each level): Manager, Hitting Coach, Pitching Coach

QFT

[funclown]

Personnel counts against your budget in our universe.

I agree. Lol, I'm sure I worded it wrong.

Anyway right now I'm 11+ estimate.
Z, your seeing a "conflicting" number. Are you looking at the extensions where it factors in your 2001 budget????

[Carlos]

That doesn't make sense. The numbers are still there as well as OSA. You are about to watch someone do it for an entire season.

It makes sense if you consider that OSA is mostly always wrong. Okay, that's an exaggeration but when the creator of the game warns that OSA is a bunch of talentless hacks that don't get paid very well to do their job, it explains why a lot of the time they severely overrate or underrate guys.

It's why you never see anyone here ever mention how OSA predicted a 4 rated guy is a 8 rated hitter and is right. We talk about our scouts because we know that they are more likely to be closer to right than OSA will ever be.

edit: Having said the above. I agree that stats mean more than ratings. Always felt that way. So if you're convinced it makes no sense to have a scout, just hire a bum for a very low price and don't pay for scouting. The rules are in place that we have to hire a full staff. There are no rules on how paid or how good that staff has to be.

[Dave]

This has been a very strange offseason. Haynes is now a little overpaid, but I couldn't let him walk even after what was a slightly off season for him. I declined Kinsey's option and then just for fun tried to offer him an extension. He asked for $20M/year for 6 years, so have fun with that during the offseason folks.

I'm glad someone asked about "money available" as this is something I haven't really ever fully understood. And I can't even begin to analyze what's happening in Denver.

[Carlos]

And I can't even begin to analyze what's happening in Denver.

Denver is seriously rebuilding this time. Something they haven't done ever even when pretending to be rebuilding. Fitz was signed so he can be traded.

[Ryan]

The League should take the next two steps:

1. Stop this guy Carlos from giving away young talent/picks for veterans.
2. Stop responding to the clown.

Maybe we stop referring to him as "The Clown" so he'll stop sullying the name.