SIM COMPLETE - 1996 - SIM 18

[tomr1962]

never heard of the bum

[liquidcrash]

You should have traded Morgan when you had the chance.

[Clay]

You should have traded Morgan when you had the chance.

I went to the table with about 7 teams on Morgan. My price was the same. The two sides never saw eye-to-eye on value. I still contend that my side of the table had the value right. Morgan is the Glavine to Pancho's Maddux. Unfortunately, I think people saw him more like Barry Zito and that he would implode when he leaves town to be "the man".

Guess we'll never know.

[Dave]

The two sides never saw eye-to-eye on value. I still contend that my side of the table had the value right.

These words seem oddly familiar....

[Clay]

These words seem oddly familiar....

I certainly don't think anyone's valuation is wrong. They obviously have their reasons for feeling that way. I think where you and I differed (and please correct me if I'm wrong or miss-speak) is that you felt that I need to value my players based on how they would/could perform on their NEW team versus how they have/do perform for mine. Maybe I'm alone on an island, but I feel like those types of hypotheticals work on prospects, but aren't necessary for guys with a resume.

[Dave]

I certainly don't think anyone's valuation is wrong. They obviously have their reasons for feeling that way. I think where you and I differed (and please correct me if I'm wrong or miss-speak) is that you felt that I need to value my players based on how they would/could perform on their NEW team versus how they have/do perform for mine. Maybe I'm alone on an island, but I feel like those types of hypotheticals work on prospects, but aren't necessary for guys with a resume.

We will never agree on this overall, but I do agree that your valuation should be exactly what it is - how the player is currently performing on your team. But other teams can't be expected to make that same valuation, which is why many trades don't happen where your players are concerned. Your players are worth far more to you, staying in your situation, than they would be, say, closing for a 50-61 team, for example.

[Delandis]

Your players are worth far more to you, staying in your situation, than they would be, say, closing for a 50-61 team, for example.

Nice.

[Clay]

We will never agree on this overall, but I do agree that your valuation should be exactly what it is - how the player is currently performing on your team. But other teams can't be expected to make that same valuation, which is why many trades don't happen where your players are concerned. Your players are worth far more to you, staying in your situation, than they would be, say, closing for a 50-61 team, for example.

That's fair. But, I will say, I don't feel that I "sell" guys fool's gold. Could I? Perhaps if I'm dealing with newer owners. But, the bulk (if not all) of my trades are with experienced owners who know their teams and have their own opinions on how a guy will perform. If anything, I'm very up front with why certain guys work for me.

[Jistic]

The hardest thing about listing houses when you're a realtor is getting the sellers to lower their price to market. Even though they have the same model of house as 5 of their neighbors already on the market in the same shape they think their house is worth at least 50K more than their neighbors. "But it's OUR house!"

[liquidcrash]

Frankly, I think that practically every team I've tried to trade with recently has been unreasonable.

[Clay]

The hardest thing about listing houses when you're a realtor is getting the sellers to lower their price to market. Even though they have the same model of house as 5 of their neighbors already on the market in the same shape they think their house is worth at least 50K more than their neighbors. "But it's OUR house!"

My house has 4 pools though.

4 big, shiny, golden pools.



The market in the BLB right now is nuts.

Some guys, I feel get a ransom for "meh" talent... meanwhile... I see GREAT talent go for a "meh" deal. It's hard to predict.

[Jistic]

Frankly, I think that practically every team I've tried to trade with recently has been unreasonable.

Which goes to truth #2 about trading. A player is only worth what somebody else will pay for it.

[Delandis]

Which goes to truth #2 about trading. A player is only worth what somebody else will pay for it.

What's truth #1?

[Z]

When I went out with drinks with Z he said "Batavia" a completely different way than I thought of it. Maybe it was just the lisp though.

Kidding Z!

Love ya, bud.

[Clay]

August 7, 1996

Back where it all started.... Philadelphia. Mel Woodbury runs into the record books in the 6th Inning.

With Doug Miles on the bump, Hector Chavez leads off the inning with a double. Already down 4-0 in the game, Miles is instructed to put "Doorbell" on with 4 wide ones. Woodbury strides to 1st with 460 career stolen bases - one behind Gary Lippencott's record 461 - with his protege sitting on 2nd and blocking his place in history. After taking a ball outside, Doug Gill, the Colonials' new RF of the future, hits a flyball to deep right-center that is pulled down. Chavez, only needing a tiny window, takes the opportunity and tags up and slides safely into 3rd.

Sitting at first base and staring down history, Woodbury watches back-up OF Artie Locke take a wild hack at a first pitch strike. The 39-year old legend looked down at the Freedom's young catcher Shawn Bowen and took the sign from the dugout. With a great first step, Woodbury was off. Locke watched strike two cut the plate in half. Bowen, not known for his arm, made the throw, but it was much too late. Woodbury stood up and brushed himself off while the Philly crowd acknowledged what their former native son has accomplished.

As the crowd still applauded Woodbury's efforts and, to an extent, career, Locke flew a short linedrive to left-center allowing Chavez to score.

As the crowd began to sit knowing they had seen history from Woodbury, I'm sure many in attendance wondered what might have been had that fateful trade not been made. But before the history of the moment could fully be realized, Miles delivered a first pitch ball to utility IF Del McMillan that would become historic.

Woodbury broke hard to 3rd base.

Bowen, knowing Woodbury's love of taking that surprise second steal, was ready.

A snap throw to Raul Marin.

A headfirst slide.

A tag.

A call.

Safe.

History.