SIM COMPLETE - 1994 - SIM 16

[Dave]

The free market always defines what value is.

Right, and I'm saying that the free market adjustment is still ongoing and will likely last another year or two. The people asking for multiple first rounders for players now have now realized that people aren't paying those prices any more. So either the market correction has finished and no trades will occur in the future, as we saw this season, or the market will continue to correct and the sellers will lower their prices until some trades occur.

[Dave]

When I make trade offers, I normally take a quick peek at completed trades thread to get an idea of where to start. I actually modeled a lot of offers this year on that Sanchez trade.

I did the same thing. Look at all the great trades we made today using that as a model. Go us.

[Jake]

Right, and I'm saying that the free market adjustment is still ongoing and will likely last another year or two. The people asking for multiple first rounders for players now have now realized that people aren't paying those prices any more. So either the market correction has finished and no trades will occur in the future, as we saw this season, or the market will continue to correct and the sellers will lower their prices until some trades occur.

I feel like every year we say there weren't a lot of trades. I don't think that's new.

[funclown]

Perhaps we could tell them about yours. Although this year is a good example.

Amen

[Clay]

Right, and I'm saying that the free market adjustment is still ongoing and will likely last another year or two. The people asking for multiple first rounders for players now have now realized that people aren't paying those prices any more. So either the market correction has finished and no trades will occur in the future, as we saw this season, or the market will continue to correct and the sellers will lower their prices until some trades occur.

You're leaving out the other possibility... that buyers will realize the the thinning of the talent pool will mean that trades are the only option to guarantee they lock in a player that won't bust in the minors and are therefore willing to pay properly for.

I'm not shy.... I wanted a top prospect and 3 1st round picks for Jerry Morgan. I think that's a bargain price for a pitcher of his quality, his age (entering his prime) and locked in at or below $10.0 for the next 6 years. If you're paying $10.0 for an ACE, you're in a prime position.

[Dave]

You're leaving out the other possibility... that buyers will realize the the thinning of the talent pool will mean that trades are the only option to guarantee they lock in a player that won't bust in the minors and are therefore willing to pay properly for.

I'm not shy.... I wanted a top prospect and 3 1st round picks for Jerry Morgan. I think that's a bargain price for a pitcher of his quality, his age (entering his prime) and locked in at or below $10.0 for the next 6 years. If you're paying $10.0 for an ACE, you're in a prime position.

I guess that is a possibility. And all it will take for your possibility to become reality is for one owner to break and give you their best prospect, in addition to three first round draft picks, for a guy like Morgan. And that may happen next year. Me, I think that's a crazy price for anyone.

[Jistic]

You're leaving out the other possibility... that buyers will realize the the thinning of the talent pool will mean that trades are the only option to guarantee they lock in a player that won't bust in the minors and are therefore willing to pay properly for.

I'm not shy.... I wanted a top prospect and 3 1st round picks for Jerry Morgan. I think that's a bargain price for a pitcher of his quality, his age (entering his prime) and locked in at or below $10.0 for the next 6 years. If you're paying $10.0 for an ACE, you're in a prime position.

The problem is I don't think anybody will give up most of their future for any one player. If he busts, or gets injured and ratings drop...you have way too many game years to recover. Which is like many really years.

[Delandis]

You're leaving out the other possibility... that buyers will realize the the thinning of the talent pool will mean that trades are the only option to guarantee they lock in a player that won't bust in the minors and are therefore willing to pay properly for.

I'm not shy.... I wanted a top prospect and 3 1st round picks for Jerry Morgan. I think that's a bargain price for a pitcher of his quality, his age (entering his prime) and locked in at or below $10.0 for the next 6 years. If you're paying $10.0 for an ACE, you're in a prime position.

I'm not shy either.

With the increased accuracy of scouting, I don't think anyone short of Pancho Herrera (not just Clay's team, but the entire league) is worth more than 2 1st round draft picks plus a prospect or two.

And therein lies the difference of perceived value between a seller and a buyer.

[funclown]

I'm not shy either.

With the increased accuracy of scouting, I don't think anyone short of Pancho Herrera (not just Clay's team, but the entire league) is worth more than 2 1st round draft picks plus a prospect or two.

And therein lies the difference of perceived value between a seller and a buyer.

I'm shy.

[Ryan]

I'm shy when I'm not around small children.

Dude...

[Clay]

I'm not shy either.

With the increased accuracy of scouting, I don't think anyone short of Pancho Herrera (not just Clay's team, but the entire league) is worth more than 2 1st round draft picks plus a prospect or two.

And therein lies the difference of perceived value between a seller and a buyer.

Well, first off, I don't agree that there is increased accuracy in scouting. There is increased consistency in scouting. I still think we're yet to see on the accuracy. Case in point, I think I was the first (and maybe still only one) firmly in the camp that INT players are not developing in the minors and should be avoided in the early rounds.

As far as no one being worth more than 2.... maybe.... though I think Morgan is more valuable that Morgan right now. That's just me.

[Jake]

The other thing to consider is that, with the new compensation system, if you have an eligible guy- say, Type A - it makes no sense to give them up for anything less than a 2nd rounder when that's basically what you're going to get.

[Dave]

As far as no one being worth more than 2.... maybe.... though I think Morgan is more valuable that Morgan right now. That's just me.

A compelling argument, to be sure....

[funclown]

Well, first off, I don't agree that there is increased accuracy in scouting. There is increased consistency in scouting. I still think we're yet to see on the accuracy. Case in point, I think I was the first (and maybe still only one) firmly in the camp that INT players are not developing in the minors and should be avoided in the early rounds.

As far as no one being worth more than 2.... maybe.... though I think Morgan is more valuable that Morgan right now. That's just me.

Lol, Morgan is worth that and more.

[Carlos]

This is why online leagues are better than solo. A CPU sees the same things for all teams no matter how many variables Markus throws in.

We are 24 very different observers. What I'm willing to give up for or want to receive in exchange for a player will almost never be the same as another.

Even completed trades are agreed upon by both owners with varying satisfaction.


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