SIM COMPLETE - 1994 - SIM 16

[Carlos]

From a sellers point of view, at some point it just makes more sense to keep a guy than to give him up for a late rounder, especially if he's not in a contract year and/or 37 years old. But that's just me.

That's where I stand with a certain somebody on my block. Won't hurt me none to keep him around, but to let him go, I'm going to ask for more than anyone has been willing to part.

And no one wants Norm Seltzer. Like, seriously. I don't get it.

[Dave]

That's where I stand with a certain somebody on my block. Won't hurt me none to keep him around, but to let him go, I'm going to ask for more than anyone has been willing to part.

And no one wants Norm Seltzer. Like, seriously. I don't get it.

That's what the majority of "selllers" are doing. The only reason some players are on trade blocks is because people are testing the waters to see if other owners will wildly overpay for those players. I feel like this year's lack of activity will set the bar for future seasons because people recognize how value high draft picks are now and won't be asking for multiple first round draft picks for players in the future. Paying that kind of price now, for anyone, would be insanity.

High draft picks are like gold these days. And as someone who's had a lot of success in this league once told me, you build through the draft.

[Jake]

That's what the majority of "selllers" are doing. The only reason some players are on trade blocks is because people are testing the waters to see if other owners will wildly overpay for those players. I feel like this year's lack of activity will set the bar for future seasons because people recognize how value high draft picks are now and won't be asking for multiple first round draft picks for players in the future. Paying that kind of price now, for anyone, would be insanity.

High draft picks are like gold these days. And as someone who's had a lot of success in this league once told me, you build through the draft.

Agreed, and at the same time, as valuable as high picks are, I think mid to late rounders are now nearly worthless with the large(r) sandwich rounds we're seeing.

[Clay]

High draft picks are like gold these days. And as someone who's had a lot of success in this league once told me, you build through the draft.

Agreed.

However, I agree with the caveat... you build through the draft AND, if possible, the ability to acquire proven performers in their prime. My team is guys I drafted (Chavez, Pancho, Maeda, Daly) AND guys I acquire with a track record in or before their prime (Woodbury, Olivo).

And this is not a commercial to trade with me. It's an hour before the deadline so that ship has sailed. BUT... I do think you have to pay for the "bird in the hand" with the "one in the bush" that is the draft.

[Delandis]

Paying that kind of price now, for anyone, would be insanity.

Call me insane, but I've extended some pretty hefty deals to a lot of guys. Its just that the sellers are crazier than I am. The value of 1st and 2nd round draft picks have increased and buyers in the market have recognized that. Most sellers have not.

[Clay]

Well, that being said, I think what I think also hasn't been fully realized is that the number of legit Superstars is dropping like a rock with the retirements of the ORIGINAL draft. If you have a shot at a legit star... not even a Superstar... you have to pay.

[Carlos]

That's what the majority of "selllers" are doing. The only reason some players are on trade blocks is because people are testing the waters to see if other owners will wildly overpay for those players. I feel like this year's lack of activity will set the bar for future seasons because people recognize how value high draft picks are now and won't be asking for multiple first round draft picks for players in the future. Paying that kind of price now, for anyone, would be insanity.

High draft picks are like gold these days. And as someone who's had a lot of success in this league once told me, you build through the draft.

I agree but that's also why sellers are asking for those picks.

It works both ways. No one wants to give up the high pick and everyone wants the high pick.

If I'm dangling a player I personally think can help a team, I'm going to ask for the highest return possible. Maybe a few years ago I would ask for less because I knew I could still land a nice guy in the first five rounds. Today, that's different. Trading a cost-controlled player for anything less than a high draft pick is not advisable in my opinion.

Water finds its level, right? I think people will figure out what works and the rest of the league will follow. What worked a few seasons ago is not going to work today (unless you're trading with funclown).

[Clay]

Bingo...

The devaluing of post 2nd round picks works both ways.

[funclown]

Water finds its level, right? I think people will figure out what works and the rest of the league will follow. What worked a few seasons ago is not going to work today (unless you're trading with funclown).

Ummmm, my first round draft pick trades(usually late first rounders) landed me
P Ignado Sanchez & P Don Richmond, young guys who I think pitch well.

I have NO problem using high draft picks (and some throw ins) to aquire good pitching. Maybe my picks end up studs who knows, but not going to bitch on my end.

Life is about taking chances.

[Carlos]

Ummmm, my first round draft pick trades(usually late first rounders) landed me
P Ignado Sanchez & P Don Richmond, young guys who I think pitch well.

I have NO problem using high draft picks (and some throw ins) to aquire good pitching. Maybe my picks end up studs who knows, but not going to bitch on my end.

Life is about taking chances.

I'm just messing with you since it's the in-thing to do. I like you. Sometimes.

[funclown]

I'm just messing with you since it's the in-thing to do. I like you. Sometimes.

Think you like me now, wait until I FINALLY do blow up this team!!

[Delandis]

Ummmm, my first round draft pick trades(usually late first rounders) landed me
P Ignado Sanchez & P Don Richmond, young guys who I think pitch well.

I have NO problem using high draft picks (and some throw ins) to aquire good pitching. Maybe my picks end up studs who knows, but not going to bitch on my end.

Life is about taking chances.

Your deals were fine.

When I make trade offers, I normally take a quick peek at completed trades thread to get an idea of where to start. I actually modeled a lot of offers this year on that Sanchez trade.

[Jistic]

The free market always defines what value is. If nobody is trading with you, then you don't have a realistic view on the value of what you are trading. Either they aren't as good as the rest of the league thinks, of there is supply elsewhere.

It's like when you're selling homes which I did in a former life. Sellers are the worst because they always think their house is different from their neighbors. Even if it's the same model, same street etc. "All the work we did..." doesn't mean a damn thing to a buyer. They always want to list over their neighbor who's been on the market for 2 years with no deal because they're house is "special." Then bitch when nobody even wants to do a showing.

I think about when we were kids and collected cards. Then all the Bekett price guides came out. "Hey this card is worth $25!" Then you go to a show and can get maybe $10. One guy told me at a show, "Your card is worth only what somebody is willing to pay for it."

[funclown]

It's like when you're selling homes which I did in a former life.

No wants to hear about your failure as a man.

[Jistic]

No wants to hear about your failure as a man.

Perhaps we could tell them about yours. Although this year is a good example.